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TooHipCat


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Originally posted by Dave Haggas:
Please get a wriggle on Brian, I want to know the outcome!

Dave...I promise I'll post the results once they're installed.

I won't be driving anytime soon with the foot of snow and salt on the ground.

I'll keep you and everyone else informed.

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Originally posted by TooHipCat:
Dave...I promise I'll post the results once they're installed.

I won't be driving anytime soon with the foot of snow and salt on the ground.

I'll keep you and everyone else informed.



TooHip, did the sensors you bought from NAPA work?
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Originally posted by CCJ:
Originally posted by TooHipCat:
Dave...I promise I'll post the results once they're installed.

I won't be driving anytime soon with the foot of snow and salt on the ground.

I'll keep you and everyone else informed.



quote:
TooHip, did the sensors you bought from NAPA work?

You guys have my sincerest apology for taking so long to post my results.

I installed all 4 brand new NAPA sensors a few weeks ago.
Unfortunately...the problem still exists!
It's not as bad as it was, but my kat coughed a couple of times on the way home from work tonight.
The old sensors didn't even look that bad.
The kat seems to want to act up when the engine isn't up to full temp.
I plan to keep on running it until the ECM decides to crap out completely. It has to be the ECM...I've replaced every other sensor on the car.

I may wait till we relocate back to California to take it to a Chrysler dealer to get a final diagnosis.

This message has been edited by TooHipCat on 05-25-2015 at 12:23 AM

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Another confusing symptom...it seems to want to cough/skip when you lay off the accelerator.
Stomp on the car and it seems to go away.

I need to have a dealership professionally diagnose it.

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Brian, mine played up even more when I fitted the sensors. I then had it hooked up and a code pinged up. Could be your next move.
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Originally posted by Dave Haggas:
Brian, mine played up even more when I fitted the sensors. I then had it hooked up and a code pinged up. Could be your next move.

What did you get for a code? A bad ECM?
Thanks Dave!

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No, a bad crank sensor. As soon as I replaced that the car has run faultless.
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Originally posted by Dave Haggas:
No, a bad crank sensor. As soon as I replaced that the car has run faultless.

I've currently replaced ALL the sensors that talk to the ECM.

It's still not stopping me from driving it.

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I just finally got mine fixed. It started in September but I left it go until spring. It finally died completely at the Wildwood car show. It did not throw any codes and the syptoms ranged from "No Bus" in the odometer disply, no temp gauge function, spitting and sputtering(like bad valve timing and a clicking relay under the hood that would only stop when I disconnected the battery.

The fix? New (or rather re-manufactured) PCM. $900 for the part alone. Last one lasted a whole 3700 miles.

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Originally posted by MDProwler:
I just finally got mine fixed. It started in September but I left it go until spring. It finally died completely at the Wildwood car show. It did not throw any codes and the syptoms ranged from "No Bus" in the odometer disply, no temp gauge function, spitting and sputtering(like bad valve timing and a clicking relay under the hood that would only stop when I disconnected the battery.

The fix? New (or rather re-manufactured) PCM. $900 for the part alone. Last one lasted a whole 3700 miles.



What the heck is causing our pcm, ecm's to go bad?
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"The fix? New (or rather re-manufactured) PCM. $900 for the part alone. Last one lasted a whole 3700 miles"


That is really depressing to hear, and upsetting as well

I'm not putting any faith in Chrysler-Fiat, LLC to help us out either.....we are not their problem.

Will it take several of us to be badly injured or killed while driving down the road and having the engine misfire and/or quit,,,and being ran over by a semi-truck to have the attention of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration?

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Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
[B]"The fix? New (or rather re-manufactured) PCM. $900 for the part alone. Last one lasted a whole 3700 miles"


That is really depressing to hear, and upsetting as well

I'm not putting any faith in Chrysler-Fiat, LLC to help us out either.....we are not their problem.

Will it take several of us to be badly injured or killed while driving down the road and having the engine misfire and/or quit,,,and being ran over by a semi-truck to have the attention of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration?[/B]



If your worried about that maybe take the bus...
At the speed you drive you have plenty of time to get over.

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Those that did a hemi swap, do they no longer use the pcm ecm?

This message has been edited by CCJ on 08-31-2015 at 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by CCJ:
Those that did a hemi swap, do they no longer use the pcm ecm?

Jay Have you decided to get another Prowler again. Doesn't the lovely Leslie have one? Just take hers.

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Originally posted by CCJ:
Those that did a hemi swap, do they no longer use the pcm ecm?

I was wondering the same

How does it work for new (different) engines ?

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Those that did a hemi swap, do they no longer use the pcm ecm?

They use two PCM's. The original and one to handle the V-8. I believe it make be a Dodge Ram PCM> Trey would be better to answer that but I'm thinking that's what he told me.

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Originally posted by MDProwler:

If your worried about that maybe take the bus...
At the speed you drive you have plenty of time to get over.

No need for me to take the bus.....the Prowler runs great and easily runs over the speed limit on every trip,,,,as opposed to alternator failure and computer failures like you experience while you are driving with a cob up your azz... Stay in the SLOW LANE,,,you will be closer to where the tow truck can pick up your cat

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Originally posted by MDProwler:
The fix? New (or rather re-manufactured) PCM. $900 for the part alone. Last one lasted a whole 3700 miles.

Hi Gary,

Did you get both of them from the dealer?

WOW...3700 miles on the first one.
Too bad it didn't have some sort of warrantee.

Thanks for the good info!

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Originally posted by MDProwler:
no temp gauge function,
The fix? New (or rather re-manufactured) PCM. $900 for the part alone.

Well...that happened to me last night on the way home from work.
My kat coughed a couple of times, like it has over the past couple of years.

THIS TIME as Gary mentioned, I lost the function of my temperature gauge.
The "Service engine soon" and my "Check Gauge" lights stayed illuminated.
(Sorry you can't see the temp gauge in the pic)
I was still able to continue my 47 mile commute back home.

I will try and see if I can pull a code tomorrow.


It may be time to find a new PCM for my 97.
I may wait till I get out to California to have it replaced.
I'd like a reputable dealership to look at it first to make sure it's the PCM before I waste 1K dollars.

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Originally posted by TooHipCat:
It may be time to find a new PCM for my 97.

My 1997 model threw a "bad connection to the PCM" code and cut out on me several times approximately eight years ago. My wonderful Prowler Tech, Neal, pulled all of the connections at the PCM and applied dielectric grease to them. I haven't had any issues with the PCM code or the engine cutting out since then.

I tried the same trick when my 2007 Dodge Nitro threw a "bad PCM" code two years ago and it has worked flawlessly since then.

Try this much cheaper option before you start replacing parts. Good luck to you!

Dave

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Thanks for your input Dave.

I already tried that with my PCM years ago.
When I disconnected it I also applied dielectric grease.
Heck... I even wrapped the connections with rubber splicing tape to try and keep out the moisture.

Additional suggestions from anyone will be GREATLY appreciated!

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I understand Vintage parts purchased the remaining inventory from Mopar. They show 85 in stock - part # 4865933AI Retail price $651.00

Phone 1.877.846.8243 http://www.vpartsinc.com/

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Originally posted by Tony Goertz:
I understand Vintage parts purchased the remaining inventory from Mopar. They show 85 in stock - part # 4865933AI Retail price $651.00

Phone 1.877.846.8243 http://www.vpartsinc.com/


Thank you Tony!

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I hope my local dealership will allow me to purchase my own replacement parts.
That's a GREAT price Tony!

Can anyone explain what's involved with "flashing" the PCM?
Can they flash the PCM without my Prowler in the shop?
I'd prefer to remove the old and reinstall the new myself.

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Originally posted by TooHipCat:
Can anyone explain what's involved with "flashing" the PCM?
Can they flash the PCM without my Prowler in the shop?
I'd prefer to remove the old and reinstall the new myself.


Thanks for your help guys!


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