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posted 05-09-2014 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
Did you check the wire looms on the passenger side? Just in front of the air intake, it makes a severe bend and it could cause a short.
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Thanks Ed, I've looked there and released the loom a little.
There isn't an update on this.
As of today it still cuts out. My last trip out it cut whilst driving, I looked for a to coast to and it started up on its own! I carried on and it hasn't done it since. Very erratic this one. Some trips it does it several times, other trips not at all.
Very frustrating. It makes no difference if its raining either. It does it when engine temp is hot or cold. Makes me think it has to be the loom somewhere.
When I get more time I will loosen more looms.

This message has been edited by Dave Haggas on 05-10-2014 at 03:41 AM

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posted 05-21-2014 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CCJ     send a private message to CCJ   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by CCJ
Dave / Ed, is this what yours does?

Mine is doing this, this is a video of my car. Around the 28second mark you can really tell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGiSKfSWaJo

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Originally posted by CCJ:
Dave / Ed, is this what yours does?

Mine is doing this, this is a video of my car. Around the 28second mark you can really tell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGiSKfSWaJo


Hey ... ya got there a low tire light on! Didn't know if you noticed that or not.

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posted 05-21-2014 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CCJ     send a private message to CCJ   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by CCJ
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Hey ... ya got there a low tire light on! Didn't know if you noticed that or not.

Jesus, between you and Alley Cat... It's a struggle for you two to stay on topic sometimes.

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posted 05-21-2014 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for padroo     send a private message to padroo   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by padroo
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Originally posted by EdsCat:
I'm having similar problem. My car cuts out for a split second, then back to normal. I pulled the codes. Do any of these codes look like we have the same problem, or is mine totally different?

It started out doing it once a trip or so, but it got more frequent yesterday. No problem starting - hot or cold. Only the cut-outs when I'm rolling.

Codes from website http://www.allpar.com/fix/computer-codes.html :

P0174 Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2

P1494 Leak Detection Pump Switch or Mechanical Fault

P0303 Cylinder misfire detected

P1243 Injector Circuit Cylinder 8 Intermittent

P1289 There's a problem in the manifold tuning valve solenoid control circuit.



All those codes look like a lean mixture, could be a vacuum leak somewhere.

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ck. the loom on drivers side where it runs down the cowl.cut the wire ties loose and visually inspect the loom.you may not see any cuts.a wire does not have to be cut to cause a problem.a squashed wire or wire loom will act the same as a cut one.in many places the loom ties are to tight squashing the loom and wires.cut loose/inspect and retie gently.i would ck the entire frt. loom,it could be squashed anywhere.the two places mentioned are known problem causers,there could be more.if you had a vaccum leak you would most likely hear it.what kind of update are you looking for.a loom is causing the problem or it isnt.if you dont do the above you will never find your problem,just looking at it wont cut it.

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ck. the loom on drivers side where it runs down the cowl.cut the wire ties loose and visually inspect the loom.you may not see any cuts.a wire does not have to be cut to cause a problem.a squashed wire or wire loom will act the same as a cut one.in many places the loom ties are to tight squashing the loom and wires.cut loose/inspect and retie gently.i would ck the entire frt. loom,it could be squashed anywhere.the two places mentioned are known problem causers,there could be more.if you had a vaccum leak you would most likely hear it.what kind of update are you looking for.a loom is causing the problem or it isnt.if you dont do the above you will never find your problem,just looking at it wont cut it.



You may be right catfish, a vacuum leak would more than likely make the engine run rough at idle.

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I've got it at RPM right now. After mechanic cleared the codes. I drove it for about 3 hours. It stuttered about 3 times I think. It happened when going thru traffic at 40-45 mph. It happened when going over a high bridge at 70 mph. It does not seem to do it when cruise is set at speed 65/70/75. Mostly when accelerating - even very slowly in traffic.

There were no codes thrown at all during the 3 hours. He is going to check the whole system for vacumn leaks. He feels like you guys that it could be the problem.

I hope it is that and not wiring issue somewhere. Should know tomorrow.

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Originally posted by EdsCat:
I've got it at RPM right now. After mechanic cleared the codes. I drove it for about 3 hours. It stuttered about 3 times I think. It happened when going thru traffic at 40-45 mph. It happened when going over a high bridge at 70 mph. It does not seem to do it when cruise is set at speed 65/70/75. Mostly when accelerating - even very slowly in traffic.

There were no codes thrown at all during the 3 hours. He is going to check the whole system for vacumn leaks. He feels like you guys that it could be the problem.

I hope it is that and not wiring issue somewhere. Should know tomorrow.


I'll keep you informed on what my guy says too. I don't think it's my fuel pump. I'm hoping it's not the wires.

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im trying to remember about 3 or 4 yrs ago while out of town on a cruise mine had the same problem,would miss on accleration.if i accelerated slowly no problem,but with more load it would start to miss.i think it was a defective sensor,i will have to think about what it was.

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im trying to remember about 3 or 4 yrs ago while out of town on a cruise mine had the same problem,would miss on accleration.if i accelerated slowly no problem,but with more load it would start to miss.i think it was a defective sensor,i will have to think about what it was.



Throttle position sensor I bet
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a year ago you had same problems,so you never fixed it.

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a year ago you had same problems,so you never fixed it.


Yes,,I'd like to know also..

Is this an on-going problem over a long time frame, or an inconsistent happening?

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i dont think he ever fixed it from last years post.

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Jan, if this is directed at me, yes, you are correct I have not got to the bottom of this issue.
The car always starts from cold with no problem. You can be driving along at any speed or throttle position and the engine simply cuts out. You have to coast to a stop, switch off and try a restart. It normally fires up and off you drive again. Sometimes it might happen a second time on that trip but so far never a third time.
It hasn't stopped me using the Prowler but I don't trust it.
I need to see if any codes have come up on a better machine.
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Dave,,, You'll probably need to get this cat on one of those hi-dollar, Mopar scanner to pinpoint the problem...or atleast one of those top of the line, Snap-On Tools scanners.

Vehicle owners for decades have found out that it cost money to GUESS.

Having said that,,,,I'll guess,, for what it's worth...no charge:

1. IAC idle air control
2. TPS throttle position sensor
3. ECM electronic control module
4. Defective Coil Pack

All of the above probably should 'set a code'

5. Fuel pump delivery related....possible dirty or blockage of filter screen

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All of the above probably should 'set a code'


BUT...what if NO CODE is being dropped???

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Brian,,,,,That can happen,,,no code. My Dakota truck just went through this condition > stalling out for no apparent reason...re-start > go.

No code......tech used some Snap-On cleaner through the IAC to clean off 120K miles of build-up,,and since seems to run fine. You just never know.....

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Well CCJ, I watched your video and no, mine simply stalls whilst driving. Engine cuts out.
Alley, thanks for your thoughts. It is not fuel pump related for sure.
Really fed up with this now though....
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No code......,,and since seems to run fine. You just never know.....


Well crap,,I spoke too soon. Drove 3/4 of a mile to the bank today in the truck...ran fine. Came out, moved up to a left turn lane and stopped for the red light,,,engine died. Re-started, but for 6-8 seconds it barely ran like it was starving for fuel,,,then it grabbed ahold and ran fine the rest of the day... Problem still exists to some degree....and its getting tiring real fast having to think about it

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I've had this happen before when I got a bad tank of gas with some water in it. Put 2 bottles of dry gas in the tank and drove it until it was empty, filled up with gas, different station, no more problems.
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I've had this happen before when I got a bad tank of gas with some water in it. Put 2 bottles of dry gas in the tank and drove it until it was empty, filled up with gas, different station, no more problems.

We forget about bad gas, I don't ever remember getting any but then again I could have suffered for a while and not known what it really was. Like getting bad food, your belly aches for no reason then the problem just goes away if you don't die.

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its not like the old days getting bad gas is like a million to one.

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Exxon produced 5 million gallons of bad gas here in Baton Rouge two months ago. It may be rare but it does happen.

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