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quincy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fairfield Glade, TN. USA Registered: May 2004 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 08:05 PM CCJ, do not try to salvage or clean O2 sensors. They are very precision instruments. They do go defective like anything else in a car. The sensors prior to the pup converters basicly help control the fuel entering the engine. It reads the amount of oxygen ions in the exhaust stream and sends a small electrical signal to the ECM, which then sends a signal to the fuel injector on how long to stay open. The sensors after the converters only send a signal to the engine control module telling it that everything is either ok or not ok with the cats. Having bad or missing post cat sensors will set a check engine light but will not affect engine performance.
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA Registered: Jul 2000 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 08:36 PM CCJ, here is what I posted a month or so ago. Okay, here is the scoop. MoparPartsAmerica has them. 04606 133 AB or AC (not sure which) and 04686 154. The total for all 4, (two on each side) is $ 251.40 plus 52.80 Shipping. Total $ 304.20 Dealer has them, same numbers, $ 115 each and $ 87.50 each for $ 405 total. Local parts store sells Denso 234-4077 and 234-4078. Total for all four was $ 209.20. I didn't have to pay sales tax on that total and may have gotten a very slight discount by using the account from work. Originally he told me $ 48 and $ 61 each, which would have been $ 218.
CCJ POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Little Rock, AR, USA Registered: Jan 2013 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 09:00 PM quote: Originally posted by ed monahan: CCJ, here is what I posted a month or so ago. Okay, here is the scoop. MoparPartsAmerica has them. 04606 133 AB or AC (not sure which) and 04686 154. The total for all 4, (two on each side) is $ 251.40 plus 52.80 Shipping. Total $ 304.20 Dealer has them, same numbers, $ 115 each and $ 87.50 each for $ 405 total. Local parts store sells Denso 234-4077 and 234-4078. Total for all four was $ 209.20. I didn't have to pay sales tax on that total and may have gotten a very slight discount by using the account from work. Originally he told me $ 48 and $ 61 each, which would have been $ 218. Crap, I can't find anything on the 04686 154 sensors... My 2001 kat says 04606133 is the part number for all 4 sensors :/
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA Registered: Jul 2000 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 09:17 PM Just go to your local parts store and let them look it up for you.
CCJ POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Little Rock, AR, USA Registered: Jan 2013 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 09:18 PM quote: Originally posted by ed monahan: Just go to your local parts store and let them look it up for you. Will do thanks Ed
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA Registered: Jul 2000 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 09:25 PM The part number may have changed from the 99 model year. I don't know one way or the other. You can also go to the Denso site and look it up. This message has been edited by ed monahan on 09-23-2014 at 09:26 PM
CCJ POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Little Rock, AR, USA Registered: Jan 2013 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 09:33 PM quote: Originally posted by ed monahan: The part number may have changed from the 99 model year. I don't know one way or the other. You can also go to the Denso site and look it up. This is interesting... The mopar / Chrysler online stores only show ONE sensor for both up and down stream on my 2001. & yet advanced auto parts and oreilys show two different sensors for up and down. http://www.moparpartsoverstock.com/p/PLYMOUTH_2001_PROWLER/SENSOR-Upstream-Exhaust-Oxygen--Downstream--Up--Downstream--Upstream/6643021/04606133AC.html Strange right? This message has been edited by CCJ on 09-23-2014 at 09:43 PM
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA Registered: Jul 2000 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 09:50 PM There are four altogether. Two of each of the two numbers. I knew they didn't match from my experience last month.
CCJ POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Little Rock, AR, USA Registered: Jan 2013 Admin Use	posted 09-23-2014 10:02 PM quote: Originally posted by ed monahan: There are four altogether. Two of each of the two numbers. I knew they didn't match from my experience last month. Good deal. I'll order four of these now then.
catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa Registered: Jun 2001 Admin Use	posted 09-24-2014 01:00 AM i could be wrong but up and down are diff numbers. ------------------
CCJ POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Little Rock, AR, USA Registered: Jan 2013 Admin Use	posted 09-24-2014 08:34 AM quote: Originally posted by catfish: i could be wrong but up and down are diff numbers. For 2001-2002 it seems that isn't the case. Strange right?
quincy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fairfield Glade, TN. USA Registered: May 2004 Admin Use	posted 09-24-2014 05:29 PM Pre catalytic O2 sensors have internal heaters built into them for quicker response. Post catalytic O2 sensors are not heated internally, only from the exhaust stream. From past experience the thread sizes of the sensor to the exhaust system boss were different so you could not install one into the other hole. This may not be the case with our Prowlers so use caution. The post converter sensor will have a much longer wire loom then the pre converter sensor.
Dave Haggas Prowler Junkie From:united kingdom Registered: May 2007 Admin Use	posted 09-25-2014 03:02 PM CCJ post your updates please when you can. Nice to hear someone else with O2 sensors that may make the engine cut, albeit momentarily. Good luck with this.
CCJ POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Little Rock, AR, USA Registered: Jan 2013 Admin Use	posted 09-25-2014 03:18 PM quote: Originally posted by Dave Haggas: CCJ post your updates please when you can. Nice to hear someone else with O2 sensors that may make the engine cut, albeit momentarily. Good luck with this. I sure will Dave
Dave Haggas Prowler Junkie From:united kingdom Registered: May 2007 Admin Use	posted 09-27-2014 02:07 PM Tiny update. Took the car for a drive today. Did about seventy miles. It hasn't missed a beat once. Running as strong as it used to prior to getting ill! So I think its fixed, thank heavens.
CCJ POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Little Rock, AR, USA Registered: Jan 2013 Admin Use	posted 09-27-2014 02:43 PM quote: Originally posted by Dave Haggas: Tiny update. Took the car for a drive today. Did about seventy miles. It hasn't missed a beat once. Running as strong as it used to prior to getting ill! So I think its fixed, thank heavens. I'm so glad it wasn't a bad tcm or ecm for you
mslc10 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bulverde, Texas, United States Registered: Nov 2009 Admin Use	posted 11-09-2014 06:02 PM Ttt for Rebelbob
Dave Haggas Prowler Junkie From:united kingdom Registered: May 2007 Admin Use	posted 11-09-2014 06:30 PM Car still running as it should. So glad its better now! No problems to report at all, only the horrid weather here now in the UK...
TooHipCat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Londonderry,NH Registered: Mar 2004 Admin Use	posted 11-14-2014 09:40 AM quote: Originally posted by Dave Haggas: Ok, no real new news but do know my car is saying its running rich. It will have the other O2 sensors fitted next week now. No codes were being thrown up at all, which doesn't help at all. Only cuts out in the window of warming up. After warm up, doesn't appear to have any issues. Lets see what next week will bring after another hook up.... Dave...thanks to you and CCJ for all the input on this thread. I check back every now and then to see what's new. Where were you testing your Prowler? At a dealership or at home? I may go after my 02 sensors next. I have nothing else to replace other than the COSTLY ECM. I am also receiving NO codes. Did "Service Engine Soon" illuminate on your dashboard when your engine would skip or cutout? I do! It illuminates for a split second then disappears. I didn't want to...but I may end up taking it to a Chrysler dealership to have them pinpoint it exactly what's going on. Thanks for your help guys!
Dave Haggas Prowler Junkie From:united kingdom Registered: May 2007 Admin Use	posted 11-14-2014 02:55 PM Hi Brian, The first time it happened I took it to my local dealership. No codes came up at all. After that I took it to an in dependant garage that I trust. The first hook up, nothing. Second attempt the values on one O2 sensor as bad. I decided to replace all four to eliminate that as an issue. As soon as all four were replaced the cutting out happened more frequently. We then hooked up again and now it showed a code of the crank sensor and another code for the shut down relay I believe. So, I then fitted a crank sensor and its ran great ever since. Would be nice to hook up again sometime just to see about the shut down relay. But I guess that code came up too as the car kept shutting down? Good luck and I would change those O2 sensors. This message has been edited by Dave Haggas on 11-14-2014 at 02:57 PM
TooHipCat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Londonderry,NH Registered: Mar 2004 Admin Use	posted 11-15-2014 11:45 AM Thanks for the informative reply Dave! I plan on consulting with my NON Chrysler mechanic to see what he thinks. When he had it hooked up to his machine earlier this year it was dropping no codes. He has worked on a few Prowlers before in addition to Audis, Astins and Bimmers. I hope to get a chance to see him before the roads get covered in salt! BTW...ALL my sensors have been replaced. Have a GREAT weekend!
TooHipCat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Londonderry,NH Registered: Mar 2004 Admin Use	posted 11-18-2014 10:20 PM quote: Originally posted by Dave Haggas: Good luck and I would change those O2 sensors. My exotic car mechanic agrees with what you've done. This will hopefully be the last step for me in solving this mystery...lol. Thanks for the great advice Dave. Here's what NAPA Auto Parts wants for all 4. (This price reflects the 10% discount I will receive with my AAA discount)
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA Registered: Jul 2000 Admin Use	posted 11-19-2014 02:22 AM Brian, here is what I found when looking for Dave. MoparPartsAmerica has them. 04606 133 AB or AC (not sure which) and 04686 154. The total for all 4, (two on each side) is $ 251.40 plus 52.80 Shipping. Total $ 304.20 Dealer has them, same numbers, $ 115 each and $ 87.50 each for $ 405 total. Local parts store sells Denso 234-4077 and 234-4078. Total for all four was $ 209.20. I didn't have to pay sales tax on that total and may have gotten a very slight discount by using the account from work. Originally he told me $ 48 and $ 61 each, which would have been $ 218.
TooHipCat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Londonderry,NH Registered: Mar 2004 Admin Use	posted 11-19-2014 06:18 PM Thanks Ed! I may stick with NAPA. Man...what a price difference!
Dave Haggas Prowler Junkie From:united kingdom Registered: May 2007 Admin Use	posted 11-20-2014 12:50 PM Please get a wriggle on Brian, I want to know the outcome!

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