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Dale Beaman

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posted 08-04-2005 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale Beaman     send a private message to Dale Beaman   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Dale Beaman
At the Dells I was having electrical problems and they were related to the OEM battery not being clamped down at the factory. I can't give any details as I am still working on getting it resolved. I will only say that 3 different dealers have looked at the car in the past 1 1/2 years and each time messed with the battery but never clamped it down.

I am optimistic that it will be resolved fairly as the dealer indicates that the repairs will be covered under the extended warrenty.

Just check your battery as this has caused a major problem and getting it fixed out of warrenty would have cost at least $2,000.

This message has been edited by Dale Beaman on 08-12-2005 at 02:28 PM

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Thanks for the tip Dale!

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Funny you should mention this. The morning I was getting ready to leave for the Dells, I was doing a quick lookover of the car and noticed that my battery was loose. Granted, I did replace the stock battery this spring, however it wasn't loose the last time I checked - go figure. I can't come up with a logical explanation why the stock battery stayed in place for 5+ years, and the replacement didn't move for another 3000+ miles, and it just decided to loosen up. I guess I'll have to keep a better eye on it in the future.

Now, the real question is - You drove your car to the Dells and discovered that your battery had loosened up. You got in my car for a cruise while yours was in the shop and my battery had just loosened up. Is this a coincidence, or is there some evil force at work here. LOL

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posted 08-06-2005 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GenoTex     send a private message to GenoTex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by GenoTex
Could it be Dale's heavy right foot?

I didn't think they'd extend up that far?!?!??!

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Enduro,
If I can cast a spell like that I will start charging Prowler owners a fee to keep me from doing it! It will be much cheaper than the cost to get one fixed if the same thing happens that happened to mine!!

Geno - I got long legs but not that long.

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I finally got my Kat back after a week and a half at the dealer. The dealer tried to make me pay saying it was my fault but after much discussion with him and the warrenty contact(Chrysler MaxCare) I only had to pay the $100 deductible. I would not wish this on anyone.

AC is going to have Lethia post some pictures later BUT don't look at them if you have a weak stomach!! DO look at them if you are worried about what could become a major and very expensive repair.

Send me an email and I can send additional pictures.

This message has been edited by Dale Beaman on 08-12-2005 at 10:20 AM

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Pictures of Dale's replaced parts:

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Top picture is the same problem I had a few years back,,,,,about 3" down from the positive post, the cable rubbed a hole in the bottom side of positive cable where it bends down and over the battery casing,,,,,thus letting excess corrosion to build up in positive cable = cat went 'dead' in the water on the street.
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L.E.Cat2, thanks for posting the pictures.

Based on my experience I would suggest the following:
1) Keep you battery cables clean.
2) Check the red part of the cable for any rubbing, scuffing or scaring. I am going to place braided fuel line over any spots that may be a problem in the future.
3) Make sure your battery is tight in the battery box!

Dale

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Great info.
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Originally posted by L. E. CAT 2:
Pictures of Dale's replaced parts:


Was all of this required to be replaced because of a loose battery? What exactly is this a picture of?

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looks like the wiring harness to me
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Looks like my 1st wiring job...geeez, talk about poor quality!!
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my positive cable looks like that also,from the day i bought it.after the dealer said there was nothing wrong w/cable,it has rust,or corrosion spots on it.i finally got real curious and cut a slit in the cable to see if it was really corroded inside ,it wasnt.resealed cut and has been ok.never found any holes in cable either.

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quote:
Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
thus letting excess corrosion to build up in positive cable = cat went 'dead' in the water on the street.

SOMETIMES I give good advice: http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001479.html
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Originally posted by GRROWL on 01-19-2004:
I'm concerned about the Mopar battery since my PT Cruiser battery has the worst corrosion I have ever seen, and I don't want the same to happen in GRROWL - some have said that it cost $1,000 to replace the battery cable since a large part of the wiring harness must be replaced as well.

Some say that the Optima is expensive and they can buy two regular batteries for the price. If the Optima prevents the corrosion (it's sealed like a drycell to address leaking, gassing and corrosion) it can actually be VERY INEXPENSIVE as compared to a cable replacement.

The Optima is supposed to last twice as long and be 15 times as vibration resistant (sounds like they're designed for Prowlers). The Group 75 that I put in is 720 CCAs compared to the original 525 CCAs.

So, GRROWL no longer has that old-fashioned lead/acid battery and has a new gel cell in it's place. The Red Top looks sharp!

-GRROWL


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Kevin A,
If the positive cable needs to be replaced it is the whole engine compartment wiring harness! Look at the second picture and on the left are two red cables/wires. That is the connection to the positive terminal of the battery.
When cars are out of warranty I would think that all that is needed would be to splice in two new cables if possible or to clean and cover the bad spots like AC did.
The 64 million (billion now) question would be why did Chrysler design it this way and why is the fit so tight that the cable rubs on the edge of the battery?

Dale

This message has been edited by Dale Beaman on 08-13-2005 at 10:19 AM

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OH MY GOD!!! I can't believe it! First thing in the am I am going to check my battery. Hard to believe the entire harness had to be replaced for a positive battery cable. I agree with Grrowl.....when my battery gives up the Optima is going in...maybe even sooner!
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Just by chance,,,,my Mopar battery went dead this past week. Tomorrow morning a new Red Top Optima Group 34 is going into the silver cat. Hoping that with no chemical fumes to promote corrosion, this should be an improvement over the original battery. Where the positive cable bridges over the battery casing,,,,I'm putting a piece of stiff foam pad or a piece of thick clear tubing over the red cable.
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Who sells the OPTIMA battery ? I had to clean my positive battery terminal today of all corrosion. No cable problem found.
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http://www.optimabatteries.com/publish/optima/americas0/en/config/brand.html

Optima batteries are found at Costco [best prices], and at many auto parts stores like NAPA and Carquest

This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 08-12-2005 at 10:31 PM

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Drove back over to the Dells yesterday, and here is their new logo as you enter town.... strange, eh?

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Grrowl & AC,
One of you used a group 75 and the other a 34. What is the difference?

Thanks
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Dale - the red top group 34 #8002 has just the single top posts for [ - ] [ + ] use. I believe the group 75 is the one that has both the top posts and side post combo unit >>> it sometimes is $5 to $10 higher in cost because it is more universal in its application. If just going to use in the Prowler, group 34 top post only will work just fine Dale.

Going outside to install mine now!

UPDATE: WENT right into place,,,,,no modifications needed. Put stock battery hold-down in place,,,but DON'T overtighten >>>> as per Optima instruction sheet.

This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 08-13-2005 at 02:11 PM

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Dale, did the Dealer let you keep your old, damaged harness? Buddy
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quote:
Originally posted by Dale Beaman:
Grrowl & AC,
One of you used a group 75 and the other a 34. What is the difference?

Thanks
Dale



My complete installation report is over at http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001479.html

The main advantage of the 75 is availability and price (and it may even fit a bit better):

Costco, under $100, no trade required.

It fit perfectly without compromise.

Also take a look at the referenced post about forcing the lower battery lip under the hold-down.

My conclusion from the other post:

quote:
Originally posted by GRROWL:
It seems that the Group 75 "GM" battery actually fits a little better, pops right in with no modifications at all (just make sure you get a firm grip on the rear lower lip, as mentioned above). My point is, if someone wants the Optima, and only a Group 75 is available (as was my case at both Costco and Advance Auto) go for it - it works fine (better?) than the "correct" Group 34.

-GRROWL



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