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posted 10-23-2018 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeWare     send a private message to BeWare   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by BeWare
Received my ball joints today. Plan to have them installed as soon as possible but this is a busy time and may have to wait until after the New Year begins.
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I have not gotten the ones I ordered but now that I see the recent replies saying the parts are arriving, maybe the e-mail I deleted earlier thinking it was spam, may have been some sort of genuine notification.
The subject said something about Quantum and UPS but I guess I'll never know. I will post when mine do arrive.
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Got mine today. Is everyone installing right away? Can anyone enlighten me on how I know the old ones need to be replaced? Thanks.
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Originally posted by OkieHokie:
Got mine today. Is everyone installing right away? Can anyone enlighten me on how I know the old ones need to be replaced? Thanks.

Personally speaking I am just not waiting for them to break and possibly cause more damage and also having to have the car towed. Even though I just last week put my old ones through a torture test of sorts (without issues) on the . Tail Of The Dragon and The Devils Triangle. Still it seems it's not a question of if they will eventually fail but when. I bought an extra set just in case these new ones ever do fail.

The following is from this post link
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004831.html


You need to put a floor jack under the LOWER control arm to remove the load from the arm, Once you have jacked it up under the arm, Grab the top & bottom of the tire & try to rock it back & forth, Any play & the joint is bad, make sure you jack under the arm itself.

This message has been edited by BeWare on 10-23-2018 at 05:23 PM

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Thanks. Went to the MOPAR site and typed in the VIN. 2 recalls were completed. FCA Recall #957 was completed 11/6/00 (child restraint). FCA Recall #CO3 was completed 2/4/03 (FRONT SUSPENSION LOWER BALL JOINTS). https://www.chrysler.com/universal/webselfservice/pdf/C03.pdf
There have been 4 recalls on 2000 Prowlers.

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Received mine today also. Thanks Mike and all those that had a hand in making this happen, including Glen and the guys at Rare Parts.
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I ordered 2 sets yesterday. Thanks to everyone involved in getting this done. I'm not planning on replacing mine at this time, just having spares. I will carry a set with me if I go on a trip.
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The new ball joints along with their grease-ability and increased pull out strength should provide us all with a greater degree of confidence. Installation of these IS slightly different than the factory originals or re-call units. The boot does not go on first and go in from the bottom up. Goes in from the top once the ball joint is in place. The provided washer goes in place under the castle nut so we don't torque the steel nut into the aluminum a-arm surface.

Since these are of NEW design with a couple of different installation procedures , anyone noticing or questioning anything please bring it up so we can get clarification from Rare Parts. Until we get rolling with these being installed were still in what I call an experimentation area.

Anything.....ANYTHING you think you need to question...please bring it up!!!

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My order was waiting for me when I arrived home this afternoon. I opened the box and confirmed the quantity was correct then looked them over.
I noticed an ARROW on the flat surface adjacent to the Zirk fitting thread hole which makes me wonder if they are a directional installation. If so, there were no instructions included.
I don't know if the ARROW needs to face the front of the car, the back, or maybe to the center of the suspension, out toward the wheel spindle, or simply ignored?
Any input on the ARROW direction if needed would be beneficial.

P.S.
I know the photo stinks but I didn't want to open the bag just yet and potentially lose any pieces between now and when it gets installed. The ARROW is at the 6 O'clock position in the photo.

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While it was on my mind, I sent Glen an E-Mail confirming delivery and inquiring about the ARROW and if it has any significance during installation or not.
I also asked if he would have any use for the warranty replacement ball joints from my car to use for further testing as I recall seeing some discussion about that.

I am going to try to have mine replaced the first part of November when I take it to the Dealer and have their Viper Tech replace my Timing Belt, Water Pump, Radiator Hoses, flush the cooling system and service the transaxle including transmission filters.

I am going to ask that the Timing Belt and Ball Joints be returned to me so I can send them off if desired for testing purposes. RPL, if you read this let me know if you want the belt with about 53K miles from a 2000.

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Should there and could there somehow be written instructions provided on how to install these ball joints if the procedure is different?
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I got a reply from Glen. Here it is:

"Anything other than our RP, date code, and Diamond have no relevance.

Might have been part of a cover plate number before drilled.

Thank you for the offer but we are good on stock ball joints.

"One thing, I see that you post info up on the Prowler forum, can you reach out to the members for me.

We are wanting to use the Prowler ball joints with our Marketing Team and they are asking if we can get some testimonies in regards to the discontinued parts by FCA and your group contacting us, etc.

Your Prowler community has been awesome and everyone I dealt with was great. I appreciate your time."

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I previously posted the info about them wanting us to post testimonials on social media. As you may have guessed by now, I am not really social media literate or I would have posted something myself. I hope some of you do that for them after all they have done for us, and that is a TON, in my opinion.
Thanks for posting the info again, Andria.
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Regarding timing belt testing, phil2237 has been kind enough to undertake the belt testing and has been sharing the data. Please send him a PM and see if he is still gather data. Thanks.
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Bob,
I will send Phil a PM.
Ed, my car is scheduled to go in on November 6th. I just spoke to the service writer and added the ball joints to the other tasks on the list.
Once I have the car back, I will follow up with the experience.
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ordered ball joints on 10/11/18 arrived 10/21/18. they look awesome Glad to have them for back up.

Thanks to cat-a-tonic & all POA members involved in this project, and most of all RARE PARTS Steering & Suspension for producing them for the Prowler community.

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I emailed Glen this evening to order a set of 4, and less than a half hour later he called me back and got my credit card info, and will ship them out tomorrow. My Prowler mileage is still low enough that the install can wait a while, but it provides some good peace of mind. Thank you to all who made this happen!
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quote:
Originally posted by CAT-A-TONIC:
The new ball joints along with their grease-ability and increased pull out strength should provide us all with a greater degree of confidence. Installation of these IS slightly different than the factory originals or re-call units. The boot does not go on first and go in from the bottom up. Goes in from the top once the ball joint is in place. The provided washer goes in place under the castle nut so we don't torque the steel nut into the aluminum a-arm surface.

Since these are of NEW design with a couple of different installation procedures , anyone noticing or questioning anything please bring it up so we can get clarification from Rare Parts. Until we get rolling with these being installed were still in what I call an experimentation area.

Anything.....ANYTHING you think you need to question...please bring it up!!!


Any word on if any installation instructions (due to differences) will be posted so that we can print them out and put them in the bag with the parts. I am saving mine for now and don't want to search for info 2 years from now if I need to replace the recalled ones with the new ones. Hopefully Glen or someone who has installed can type up a small instruction sheet.

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There's not a big difference between installing Rare Parts units and the factory. About the only difference is the boot. The factory ball joints have the boot secured to the ball joint housing. The Rare Parts ball joints have the boot going on from the top once the ball joint has been pulled into the a-arm. The factory service manual and the TSB go a little bit overboard by suggesting the entire steering knuckle has to be removed. It Does not. Only other considerations is the castle nut. The factory originals had a special nut that had to be installed a certain way to accommodate the ny-lock nut. The castle nut simply goes on after the washer and torqued to spec.
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Had my Rare Parts ball joints installed today by a very experienced (40+ years) mechanic. He has worked with Rare Parts and confirmed they make quality parts. Tip for those that have chrome front ends. You may want to get chrome castel nuts or caps since the nuts supplied are steel if the look is important to you. Also, my mechanic said both old b/j boots were torn. These boots were replaced due to being torn with new ones in Sept. 2017 The ball joints were the ones that replaced the factory originals. We discussed possible causes and he thought maybe the boots were sitting on the shelf and were old. Or, damage caused by chemicals cleaning the chrome. It’s a mystery at this time.
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Had my lower front ball joints replaced in the last week with Rare Parts ball joints. Prowler tech told me the boots were cracked. The old one were the recall replacements marked with the X installed in 2003. He returned the old ones and they look fine except for the boots. Anyone thought (or done) of putting new boots on the old ones from suspension.com or other supplier. Or is it just not worth it?
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You lost,I won
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Originally posted by 401KAT:
Ed when i win the halloween costume contest at the "plateau run" you can award me the 2ND PAIR of ball joints....thank you very much in advance....lol

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I think if you go through the trouble of tearing down the front end to change the boots,,, your better off just replacing the whole ball joint. For the cost of the Rare Parts ball joints,,,, just males sense to just replace with new ones. JMHO


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Had my lower front ball joints replaced in the last week with Rare Parts ball joints. Prowler tech told me the boots were cracked. The old one were the recall replacements marked with the X installed in 2003. He returned the old ones and they look fine except for the boots. Anyone thought (or done) of putting new boots on the old ones from suspension.com or other supplier. Or is it just not worth it?

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I agree and did that. Just wondering about repairing boots on old ones for a backup. Not sure if Rare Parts ball joints will always be available. Thanks.
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I think we have a reliable source now,,, if you have doughts,, buy a back up set,, and keep your old ones. I believe Prowler owners have bought back up BJ's. Glad you took preventative measures to avoid a catastrophe. You should still jack up the front end once a year to make sure they are still tight for safety sake.

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I agree and did that. Just wondering about repairing boots on old ones for a backup. Not sure if Rare Parts ball joints will always be available. Thanks.


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