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ed monahan                     POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 09-26-2018 07:58 PM
    
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 09-26-2018 08:00 PM
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Landscape Doctor POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pelham, NH, United States |
posted 09-26-2018 09:22 PM
Looks like you were able to load them Ed. I think the groove's are ok, if they would need to be replaced again the new ones would ride in the old grooves. Look's like the boot will have less interference now. |
CAT-A-TONIC POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:santa clara, california, us |
posted 09-27-2018 11:22 AM
Per Glen @Rare parts: Hi Mike, The press diameter is knurled to help the new ball joint bite in to the material per say. Knurling gives the new ball joint a very slightly larger press to accommodate the difference from the wear the original size ball joint being pressed out. It will not remove material when it is pressed out. Thank you, GLEN KNOWLES |
Tomcal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Long Island, NY, USA |
posted 09-27-2018 12:46 PM
Ed, CAT-A-TONIC; Good to see Rare Parts ball joint in the flesh. Great job Cat-A-Tonic getting it pushed through and done. Looks like your perseverance has paid off. My thoughts.... Knurling (grooves) on ball joint appears to be very aggressive for pressing into aluminum. This knurling is very similar to a standard Chrysler (non prowler) press in ball joint designed to press into STEEL. I do have concerns in this regard. Ball joint does not appear to be re-buildable in-place, so if for some reason it has to be removed and reinstalled it may take quite a bit of aluminum with it. Ed, can you post some pictures of boot at different angels and also if you can just put boot onto ball joint temporally for a picture. Boot as always been the Achilles heel of Prowler ball joints. Also, what is large c-clip for? Attaching boot or secondary ball joint retainer? Is there a top retaining ring for boot? Again, I'd like to thank Cat-A-Tonic for his hard work getting this done and Ed for volunteering his Prowler for install.
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Tomcal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Long Island, NY, USA |
posted 09-27-2018 12:52 PM
Pictures and Glens reply got posted while I was typing.
This message has been edited by Tomcal on 09-27-2018 at 04:58 PM |
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CAT-A-TONIC POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:santa clara, california, us |
posted 09-27-2018 03:21 PM
Tomcal.......My thoughts and concerns as well regarding the knurled area. As for the boot. Aside from a different material than the stock boot, any boot is going to be somewhat pressed against the bottom of the steering knuckle once torqued in place. Since we've never had a different boot, material wise, at this time that's probably something time will tell. Regarding the factory boots. That weird boot material is in several other suspension areas. And it appears that ANY movement that it's subjected to looks to deteriorate it. It just maybe that the factory couldn't have known that that material was subjected to the problems that we've encountered. |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 09-28-2018 04:44 PM
I took the ball joints over to the Prowler Tech and told him about the concerns about the grooves. He said that was standard and he was happy to see them. He said if you replace the ball joints 4 or 5 times on the same Prowler, you will probably have a problem due to the loss of material but one time is not a problem. Hopefully this will be the definitive solution to the ball joints so we won't be looking for serial failures for everyone. As far as the rubber boot, it is a rubber boot. When it is installed we will be able to evaluate it. That is ALL I know at this point. Installation is Tuesday so until then, I don't know nuthin. I trust Ernie's opinion but everything remains to be seen. The proof will be in the pudding, as they say. |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 03:12 PM
I am elated to report that the ball joints seem to be perfect. Much better than the OEM parts. I sent several emails containing pictures to Glen. I need to resize them and post them here. It may be this evening before that happens. I also need to take more pictures of the FINISHED project. It took almost 3 hours but that is because he is the owner of the shop and almost every customer who comes in needs to talk to him and not the other mechanics plus he got numerous phone calls. He advised me of the prior to today. He knew it would happen but that wasn't a problem for me. The front end is chromed and he was taking extra care with that. He also thought the chrome MIGHT be making it a little tighter getting the old ones out. It had been quite awhile since he had done one so the first one took a lot longer than the second one. All in all, I am really pleased with it. Again, I will post some pics but it will be awhile. The good news is that it should be a GO all the way. The snap ring is NOT used. There is a washer that helps prevent the rubber boot from distorting. This message has been edited by ed monahan on 10-02-2018 at 04:53 PM |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 04:44 PM
 Old ball joint
New one pressed into place. This message has been edited by ed monahan on 10-03-2018 at 07:56 PM |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 04:50 PM
 Straight Zerk, no clearance whatsoever. You need a 90 faced in toward the middle
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 04:57 PM
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 05:00 PM
This message has been edited by ed monahan on 10-03-2018 at 08:05 PM |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 05:02 PM
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 05:03 PM
 New ball joint in place This message has been edited by ed monahan on 10-02-2018 at 05:05 PM |
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Landscape Doctor POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pelham, NH, United States |
posted 10-02-2018 05:50 PM
Great news,,, a big Thanks to all involved in getting this done. PS, Ed you need to polish the chrome now. |
robin POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St Thomas, ON, Canada |
posted 10-02-2018 06:10 PM
Ed make sure you go for a good long drive . Report when home safe. Thank you to everyone that helped in this venture . |
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StingRay POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Elk Grove Village, IL, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 06:25 PM
Echo LD's praise and Kudos ... Question on the photo with the two ball joints standing next to one another ... despite what looks like about a 1/4" less height in threaded area on the 'new' one - no issues upon installation and appears to be substantial once installed and cottered. That mean the originals were 'excessively' long? Love that chrome front end too ... wow! This message has been edited by StingRay on 10-02-2018 at 06:26 PM |
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robin POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St Thomas, ON, Canada |
posted 10-02-2018 06:37 PM
ok not to put a damper on things . Maybe its the boot that was the problem all along but I notice this. The stem from the OEM ball joint and the recall ball joint with X on bottom. OEM was tapered then they beefed it up.
Now the rare Parts new BJ and the recall one .
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 06:38 PM
There is a castle nut and a cotter pin going through the threads so I don't see how it would back off. They had absolutely no problem pressing it in place. The biggest concern was getting it started "straight" on the first one. The second one went a lot quicker. The Prowler Tech owns the shop and he was getting bombarded with customers and phone calls and he warned me about that ahead of time. Two of the other mechanics also were mechanics at Chrysler with him. There is a small washer to help eliminate the boot from twisting and there were plenty of threads exposed so I presume the other one was a little longer than needed. He hasn't done a Prowler ball joint for years. I am totally satisfied with it all and I feel a lot better driving the Candy, with over 70,000 miles on it. I will post when I hear it is time to order them. I am going to buy a couple of sets, just for peace of mind for down the road (for the next owners). |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 06:42 PM
My ball joints had already been replaced under the recall. That was NOT the OEM. These can be greased, also. Most of the ones that failed, failed at very low speeds, usually turning into a driveway, indicating to me that the BALL wasn't rotating. I could be wrong and I am not working on commission. lol This message has been edited by ed monahan on 10-02-2018 at 06:45 PM |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 06:45 PM
My ball joints had already been replaced under the recall. That was NOT the OEM. |
garysss POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Baltimore, MD, United States |
posted 10-02-2018 06:56 PM
Thanks for doing this Ed, great photos also. I think everyone at the Tennessee event should step up and polish Dr's front end. I'm only saying this of course because I won't be there. LOL 😉😀😈😇👌 |
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Tomcal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Long Island, NY, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 07:19 PM
To add to robins excellent post; Just curious that Rare Parts choose to use an under-cut ball stud design. Original Prowlers used an under-cut ball stud and they failed. Recall ball joints did not use under-cut design. While they still failed, it was not do to stud breakage. Chrysler TSB bulletins stated under-cut was not needed for clearance reasons, and was changed to no under-cut to increase strength of stud.
Recall joint with no under-cut design.
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-02-2018 08:38 PM
If it was NOT due to stud breakage, where did they break, WHY did they break? Due to a lack of grease, making them seize up? If so, the stem should not be a worry, that is not the weak spot. I don't know the answers to any of those questions, just bouncing it off of the experts. I am STILL very happy that I have new ball joints and have an opportunity to buy some spares. |
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