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Attack: Questions and answers on the terrorist attacks
By RONALD BLUM
Associated Press Writer
Some questions and answers about Tuesday's attacks:
Q: What was attacked in New York and Washington and when?
A: At 8:45 a.m. EDT, American Flight 11 slammed into One World
Trade Center, the complex's north tower, in New York. Eighteen
minutes later, United Flight 175 crashed into Two World Trade
Center, the south tower. At 9:43 a.m., American Flight 77 crashed
into the Pentagon. At 9:50 a.m., the north tower collapsed. At
about 10 a.m., United Flight 93 crashed about 80 miles from
Pittsburgh, and Rep. James Moran, D-Va., later said it was
apparently targeting Camp David, the presidential retreat in the
mountains of Maryland. At 10:29 a.m., the south tower toppled. At
5:25 p.m., Seven World Trade Center, an evacuated 47-story
building, collapsed in flames.
Q: What is the World Trade Center?
A: A complex of office buildings in lower Manhattan near Wall
Street, highlighted by the 110-story twin towers. Groundbreaking on
the twin towers, designed by architect Minoru Yamasaki, was on Aug.
5, 1966, and the ribbon-cutting for the opening was April 4, 1973.
About 50,000 people worked in the twin towers. At 1,368 feet, One
World Trade Center was the fifth-tallest building in the world,
according to the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat. At
1,362 feet, Two World Trade Center was the sixth-tallest.
Q: Who is responsible?
A: Not immediately known, but federal authorities identified
terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden as the prime suspect.
Q: How many people died?
A: Too early to tell, but hundreds of people aboard the planes
died, and an untold number of others were feared buried in the
rubble of the twin towers. Thousands were injured at the World
Trade Center.
Q: Wasn't there a previous attack on the World Trade Center?
On Feb. 26, 1993, a terrorist bomb exploded on the B-2 level in
One World Trade Center, killing six people and leaving a
200-foot-wide, five-story-deep crater. U.S. officials say bin Laden
was the architect and also was behind the 1998 bombings of two U.S.
embassies in Africa and last year's bombing of the USS Cole in
Yemen.
Q: Where were the planes headed and how many were aboard?
A: American Flight 11, a Boeing 767 headed from Boston to Los
Angeles, was carrying 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two
pilots; American Flight 77, a Boeing 757 from Washington to Los
Angeles, had 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots;
United Flight 93, a Boeing 757 from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco,
had 38 passengers, five flight attendants and two pilots; and
United Flight 175, a Boeing 767 from Boston to Los Angeles, was
carrying 56 passengers, seven attendants and two pilots
Q: How many people altogether were aboard the flights?
A. 266.
Q: How do we know the planes were hijacked?
A: At 9:58 a.m., an emergency dispatcher received a cell phone
call from a man who said he was a passenger locked in a bathroom
aboard United Flight 93, said dispatch supervisor Glenn Cramer in
Westmoreland County, Pa. "We are being hijacked!" the caller
said. Also, Barbara Olson, a former congressional investigator and
wife of U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson, was aboard American
Flight 77 and twice called her husband. She described some details
of the hijacking, including that the attackers were using
knife-like instruments, law enforcement officials said.
Q: When will commercial planes start flying again?
A: The Federal Aviation Administration, which at 9:43 a.m.
halted all U.S. air traffic for the first time, said the ban would
not be lifted until noon EDT Wednesday, at the earliest. Some
airports also were evacuated.
Q: Where was President Bush?
A: He was in Sarasota, Fla., when the attacks began, then went
to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., where he stayed 90 minutes before
going to Offutt Air Force Base, Neb. There, at the headquarters of
the U.S. Strategic Command, which controls U.S. nuclear weapons,
Bush convened a National Security Council meeting by
teleconference. Two fighter jets circled the base and nearby roads
were closed during the president's stay. Bush planned to return to
Washington to address the nation on television.
Q: Where were other top government officials?
A: Vice President Dick Cheney remained in a nearly deserted
White House. House Speaker Dennis Hastert, next in the line of
presidential succession after Cheney, and other top leaders of
Congress were taken to a secure government facility 75 miles west
of Washington. Secretary of State Colin Powell cut short a trip to
South America to return to Washington. Federal Reserve Chairman
Alan Greenspan was returning from a banking conference in
Switzerland.
Q: What did the U.S. military do?
A: The military was ordered to Threat Level Delta, the highest
level, at least in the Washington area, according to Air Force
Capt. Tatiana Stead at Andrews Air Force Base. Black-uniformed
Secret Service agents with machine guns patrolled the White House
grounds and fighter jets circled over the city. The Navy sent
missile destroyers and other vessels to New York and Washington.
Q: What was evacuated?
A: Government and office buildings around the country, including
the Capitol, the White House, the State Department, the CIA and the
United Nations. All of lower Manhattan also was evacuated and will
be closed Wednesday to all but rescue personnel.
Q: What did Wall Street do?
A: All financial markets closed.

(Copyright 2001 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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BC-Attacks-PlaneCrash Bjt 15thLd-Writethru 09-11 0930
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Jet crashes in Pa.; passenger reported hijacking in phone call
Eds: AMs.
AP Photos and AP Graphic PA PLANE CRASH
By TODD SPANGLER
Associated Press Writer
SHANKSVILLE, Pa. (AP) -- A passenger on United Airlines Flight 93
called on his cell phone from a locked bathroom and delivered a
chilling message. "We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!"
Minutes later the jetliner crashed in western Pennsylvania with 45
people aboard, the last of four closely timed terror attacks across
the country.
Radar showed the San Francisco-bound Boeing 757 from Newark,
N.J., had nearly reached Cleveland when it made a sharp left turn
and headed back toward Pennsylvania, crashing in a grassy field
edged by woods about 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh. There was no
sign of any survivors.
"There's a crater gouged in the earth, the plane is pretty much
disintegrated. There's nothing left but scorched trees," said Mark
Stahl, of Somerset, who went to the scene.
The Boeing 757 crash was one of four reported Tuesday by United
and American Airlines. Two jetliners crashed into the World Trade
Center in New York City and one hit the Pentagon in Washington.
A Virginia congressman said the Flight 93's intended target was
apparently Camp David, the presidential retreat in the mountains of
Maryland, about 85 miles southeast of the crash site.
United said Flight 93 left Newark at 8:01 a.m. with 38
passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants.
Minutes before the 10 a.m. crash, an emergency dispatcher in
Pennsylvania received a cell phone call from a man who said he was
a passenger locked in a bathroom aboard United Flight 93. The man
repeatedly said the call was not a hoax, said dispatch supervisor
Glenn Cramer in neighboring Westmoreland County.
"We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!" Cramer quoted
the man from a transcript of the call.
The man told dispatchers the plane "was going down. He heard
some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane
and we lost contact with him," Cramer said.
FBI agent Wells Morrison wouldn't confirm that the plane was
hijacked, but said the FBI was reviewing the tape of the 911 call.
"At this point, we're not prepared to say it was an act of
terrorism, though it appears to be that," Morrison said.
Rep. James Moran, D-Va., said after a Marine Corps briefing in
Washington that Flight 93 was apparently intended for Camp David.
Reporters were taken to the top of a hill overlooking the scene.
The crash left a V-shaped gouge in a grassy field surrounded by
thick woods, just below a hilltop strip mine. The gouge is 8- to
10-feet deep and 15- to 20-feet long, said Capt. Frank Monaco of
the Pennsylvania State Police.
Investigators believe the plane crashed there and disintegrated,
sending debris into thick trees nearby, Monaco said.
"There's nothing in the ground you can see," Monaco said of
the crash site. "It just looks like tiny pieces of debris."
Michael R. Merringer was out on a mountain bike ride with his
wife, Amy, about two miles away from the crash site.
"I heard the engine gun two different times and then I heard a
loud bang and the windows of the houses all around rattled,"
Merringer said. "I looked up and I saw the smoke coming up."
The couple rushed home and drove near the scene.
"Everything was on fire and there was trees knocked down and
there was a big hole in the ground," he said.
In Chicago, United CEO James Goodwin said the airline was
sending a team to Pennsylvania to assist in the investigation and
to provide assistance to family members.
"Today's events are a tragedy and our prayers are with everyone
at this time," Goodwin said.
Without citing a death toll, United said Tuesday afternoon that
it had identified all passengers and crew members on board the two
planes and was notifying family members. No names were released
immediately.
In Pennsylvania's Richland Township, police Chief Jim Mock said
air traffic control coordinators reported Tuesday morning that a
large aircraft was heading toward John Murtha Johnstown Cambria
County Municipal Airport in the township, about 60 miles east of
Pittsburgh.
The air traffic controllers said the aircraft would not identify
itself, according to Mock, who is also the airport's emergency
coordinator. Shortly after talking to the controllers, Mock said, a
plane crashed north of the Somerset County airport about 20 miles
away.
"It shook the whole station," said Bruce Grine, owner of
Grine's Service Center in Shanksville, about 21/2 miles from the
crash. "Everybody ran outside, and by that time the fire whistle
was blowing."
Stahl was listening to reports about the World Trade Center
attacks on the radio when he heard Flight 93 crash. He took
pictures showing a billowing cloud and a large, black hole burrowed
into the ground surrounded by small piece of airplane still on
fire.
"I didn't know what to think, it was shocking," Stahl said.
At San Francisco International Airport, where the plane was
headed, an evacuation was ordered. Bomb-sniffing dogs patrolled the
hallways and a counseling center was set up for relatives of the
people aboard Flight 93.
"This is a time for compassion. It's not a time for long
sermons," said the Rev. John Delariva, a Catholic priest who is
part of the airport's counseling team.
Flight 93 also operated as a code-share flight with Air Canada
as Flight AC4085.

(Copyright 2001 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
APEX-09-11-01 1809CDT

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posted 09-11-2001 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dpena     send a private message to dpena   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by dpena
Here is who they think might be the Leader.

GONE.......

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Unfortunately... this has turned into a case of kill or be killed... to do nothing provokes more killing because they can... to kill a few causes more hatred and revenge killing. We have been swept into the madness the same way we were swept into it before and it is too late to back out now. The only way to end this is to end the people who are responsble and all those who support them. They are rejoicing in the streets in some areas of the world... how sad... how utterly pathetic... all in the name of God. I'm sure now we have integrity in the White House, we can assume the best and the madness will be delt with swiftly (sarcasm).

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Hey it sucks but what about the jackass's in the airports that let these guys on the planes? I get strip searched if I have a quarter in my pocket! My two cents, lots of new beach front property in the middle east. Much Peace.

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I am in SHOCK&HORROR of what happened this DAY. I FEEL for
ALL THE FAMILIES. WHAT KIND of EVIL&SICK Group of PEOPLE
would Acknowledge and CLAIM this kind of TERROR. I AM at
a LOSS for WORDS. GOD,PLEASE watch over US at this TIME&
PLACE.
I AM VERY,VERY SICK!!!
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Todd, I think your comments are really in poor taste at this time. I don't think anyone's political leanings are very important right now.
I think when he was Governor, Dubyah, didn't let the murderers off in Texas and he wasn't groping little girls under his desk. Let's wait a couple of days to see how he reacts.
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Dpena, With tons of respect, how about removing the picture of the Bin Laden from the POA site. We all know who is, but I for one do not want his pic on the POA site, post in a toilet. His face and cowardly act deserves no posting.

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Ed, we shall see... and time will tell.

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Never have felt this way before....or even experienced anything like this. It seems all like a bad dream ; something that you would some day wake up, and everything would be back to normal. I think, the thing that hurt the most was actually seeing the people taking their own lives by jumping to their death. I also heard someone on tv...that survived, explained how.....in the WTC building....there were handicapped people...just...sitting in the halls, b/c they couldn't get down the stairs - all they could do was wait for the building to go down. One station, asked a little boy ( maybe about 5- 6 ) what happened...and all he said was " a lot of people are going to heaven " - it still brings tears to my eyes.
The latest news is that, the plane that hit the Pentagon, was originally supposed to hit the White House and / or Air force 1. Also, 3 " Arabic " persons were found in a Mass. hotel. My heart goes to all those affected.....
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Thanks Dan!

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HOW STRANGE IS THIS.......?

Nostradamus

This is a quatrain from one of his predictions:

"In the year of the new century and nine months, From the sky will come a great King of Terror... The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire approaches the great new city..."
"In the city of York there will be a great collapse, 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos, while the fortress fall the great leader will succumb the third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

- NOSTRADAMUS

2001 is the first year of the new century and this is the 9th month. New York is located at the 41st degree Latitude.
He also said that this will be the third World War and it would be bigger than the last two wars. I hope he is wrong, but judging from his predictions of Hitler, Napoleon, and Pearl Harbor....

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Well, gee, Brian......that was comforting news....especially for those of us who have family in the military......

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has anyone seen the prophecies of Nostradamus narrated by Orson Welles? Scary

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Gee Brian, I really needed to know this.....My son is a member of the investigating team at the Pentagon, he was transferred there today.

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I did not want to scare any one, just found this interesting. I know this country will do the right thing.

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A friend sent this to me today and I thought I would share it.
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THE UNITED STATES

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
America: The Good Neighbor.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:


"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956,
it was the Americans who propped it up, and their
reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets
of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the
United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now
newspapers in those countries are writing about the
decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that
is gloating over the erosion of the United States
dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country
in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
technocracy, and you get automobiles.
You talk about American technocracy, and you find
men on the moon -! not once, but several times -
and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India
were breaking down through age, it was the Americans
who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and
the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name
me even one time when someone else raced to the
Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside
help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
those."

Stand proud, America!

This is one of the best editorials that I have ever
read regarding the United States. It is nice that
one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the
world would realize it. We are always blamed for
everything and never even get a thank you for the
things we do.

I would hope that each of you would send this to
as many people as you can and emphasize that they
should send it to as many of their friends until this
letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a
single American that has read this.

I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.

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How nice of this commentator to make these statements. How right they are. Maybe someone should forward this to all the big TV networks and CNN.

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Just found out today that my uncle who has recently started working in the WTC, was on vacation this week. Very thankful, but still crying when watching the news.
Brian - I used to work in a book store, and had the Nostradamus book w/ all his prophecies in it. I never looked at it, in fear of any of it becoming a reality. It's amazing you found that out. So scary, but let's hope it stays a vision, and not a reality.
Larry - I love the article, I agree with CJ - someone should send it to the major tv stations, ect.
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Please join me in PRAYER for nation. The Word of GOD says where 2 or 3
> are
> assembled & touching and agreeing on 1 accord he will be in the midst.
>
> God we pray for all the lives that have been touched or destroyed by the
> planes being
> hijacked, the car bombings, the missing planes. GOD only you know the
> thoughts of man
> Your word says that man thoughts are evil, so we utter this prayer in our
> spirit and we call peace
> by our mouth into existence. LORD we need your help right now. We know
> that there is nothing that you have not already seen and nothing that man
> can plan that you don't already know about.
>
> Turn this devastation into an opportunity for someone to come unto you..
> LORD we don't know
> what to say, so we ask you to bless and control. Our comfort is your
> word,
> saying that when we
> are absent from the body we are present with you.
>
> These things we ask in Jesus Name. Amen
>
> Please pass on to others

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posted 09-12-2001 10:32 PM           send a private message to cnote6   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Todd Cameron
It is unfortunate that we have three choices here. do nothing and tell those responsible they are free to do whatever they want, strike back like before and make more terrorists out of their friends and make them do more attacks for revenge, or, truly go to war with all the country's known to harbor terrorists... which, going to war with one will automatically bring the others in on it anyhow, thus, WW111. When a bee stings you, either leave the hive alone or destroy it, when the hive is in your living room...

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Great article Larry Lord... I am passing it on to everyone.

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posted 09-13-2001 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dpena     send a private message to dpena   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by dpena
I will never forget 911.

September 11 2001 ... or ... 911

Good prayer CNOTE6 ... AMEN ...!!

Good time to dwell on where our spirit would end up if death was upon us as those that died on the planes.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:9


LORD JESUS... HELP US ALL

GOD BLESS AMERICA

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I have seen the NOSTRADAMUS thing already. It is already being reported elsewhere as a prediction hoax. Something about the real translation was "the year 1999 and seven months" and the other verses were either from different predictions or made up all together. I do not know anything about Nostaradamus other than vague general knowledge, but certainly hope it is just a hoax.

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