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robbieb


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posted 01-08-2014 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for robbieb     send a private message to robbieb   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by robbieb
I've read lots of old ones on here.

And now it's happened to me.

Mine is a 2002 silver.

Started overheating the other day. From what I THINK I understood in the old threads on here about this...the first Prowlers had the wrong kind of antifreeze and would gum up the radiator?

So I'm thinking that mine would probably be the 11 year old thermostat?

So I took it (against my best instincts) to Prestige Chrysler here in Vegas.

I didn't want to, but it's close enough to home that she won't run hot before I get there.

Last time I took it there was for a window regulator. They wanted to charge me $1,100 for that!!!!
I said "no" and they charged me $129 for "diagnosis" without turning a screw.
I ended up getting the upgrade regulator and having it put on for $200 at a shop across town that has a really good guy.

Matter of fact, that's where I usually take my Prowler these days. But I'm scared to drive it that far because it might overheat.

So anyway...I took it in yesterday at 8:30 a.m.
I told them that it probably needed a thermostat, and if that didn't work then it MIGHT need a waterpump.

At 5 p.m. (after calling and not getting any response) I went back to the dealership in person and asked the service writer what the status was with my car.
He told me that the guy working on it still had it in his bay and would it be okay to keep it overnight and work on it the next day.

Okay.

So today (the next day) the phone rings at 8:30 a.m. (in other words they just opened...so no work has been done today either).

The guy proceeds to tell me that it's gonna need a new thermostat, a new waterpump, and a new radiator...total cost $2,600!!!!

WTF!!!!!!

They didn't even turn a screw or check the thermostat.

I said "NO".
Went to get my car and got charged... $129 for the "diagnosis".

What a damn ripoff!

So now, after that long rant...

Is a thermostat readily available at Auto Zone? Or is something I have to special order?

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posted 01-08-2014 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
It is nothing special, same as every other thermostat.
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I had to replace mine ('97) back in 2009. Stant $15 from Autozone. Get the one that has a safety feature that will keep it from closing and overheating if it fails. My original one broke (fortunately in the open position) so it took the engine a long time to heat up. That is probably all you need. You can even remove the old one temporarily and see if the overheating goes away. Be sure and bleed the system using the fitting on the gooseneck.

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First off, you didn't say how or when it was overheating. Second, you went back to a place that didn't treat you well the first time.
Third, many times it has just been the radiator cap, very easy fix, would try that first.

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If your car is not leaking,probably just your cap.If the shaft on the water pump is loose the pump needs replacing. when this
happens the pump starts leaking. Should be a easy fix.
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posted 01-08-2014 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robbieb     send a private message to robbieb   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by robbieb
Thanks guys.

It's just shocking to me that this dealership charges $129 to me TWICE now and has never even turned a screw.

And trying to charge me $2600 without even LOOKING at the thermostat...it's just unreal.

They just kept telling me over and over: "These cars overheat"

GRRRRRRRR.....

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quote:
Originally posted by garysss:
First off, you didn't say how or when it was overheating. Second, you went back to a place that didn't treat you well the first time.
Third, many times it has just been the radiator cap, very easy fix, would try that first.

It was the other day here in Vegas. The outside temperature was around 50 degrees so it wasn't a hot day at all.

I was driving back from Best Buy (about a 5 mile trip), and I heard a "ding". Looked down and saw I was up almost to the "H"

I got home before it went full out overheated on me.

I will try the radiator cap first.

Thanks!

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The bad thermostat and radiator cap can likely cause the overheating problem. Another thing to consider is a clogged cooling system and age of the coolant. We had two SoCal Prowlers that had overheating issues. Both owners had the cooling systems machine cleaned and back flushed by a auto repair shop. In both cases sand like material was found in the old coolant. After the back flush and new coolant installed, no more overheating issues. I also learned that not many shops, including the one dealer I was using have the equipment to do back flushing.
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I would suggest you take it to someone you can trust and have the cooling system flushed and change the thermostat and radiator cap.

But one thing that some my not know is there is a bleeder in the front of the intake to bleed the air out of the system, so make sure they know that when they flush the system.

Good luck

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Replace the cap, if it still overheats, make sure it is full of water and leave cap on first latch and drive across town, to your mechanic. It won't build pressure and no over heat for a short drive.

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Keep us posted as you proceed. Hopefully something simple.
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why dont you really find out what the problem is instead of wasting your time and money,how can you fix a problem when you dont know what it is.how old is the coolant.find the real problem and then fix it.if the above post that said they had sand in the coolant then the coolant was at least 15 yrs or more old,it was original coolant.why not screw up your cooling system and never change it.

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If you've found the error. Then fill the System with rain water and antifreeze. The rain water has no lime, and antifreeze are additives that do the cooling system well.
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use distilled water,not rainwater.if it rarely freezes where you are use a 70 percent distilled water and 30 percent coolant.it will cool better with that mixture,and will not freeze.the coolant to use is zerex g05,its a longlife coolant.

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Sorry, it was just a good advice. I'm in the German tuning Scene, these are experiences of dozens of people.
We drive motors with 150hp Performance per 1 liter engine cubic-capacity, I know what I'm talking from.
Distilled water resulting in reverse-osmosis, and destroys the cooling system, because it is aggressive to be any metal. These are only subtleties in Detail, which might be helpful.
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distilled water will cause no problems,where did you ever come up with that crap.

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What about waterless coolant?
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the one co.that made it wa evans coolant,they may be out of business,but im not positive.

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quote:
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distilled water will cause no problems,where did you ever come up with that crap.


I always use distilled water to avoid mineral deposits from tap water.

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quote:
Originally posted by robbieb:
It's just shocking to me that this dealership charges $129 to me TWICE now and has never even turned a screw.

Sounds as if they did "turn a screw", twice - to you! Fool you once, shame on them. Fool you twice, shame on you.

Good luck with the overheat - lot's of good advise has been given.

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quote:
Originally posted by catfish:
the one co.that made it wa evans coolant,they may be out of business,but im not positive.


Jan You're right it's mfg'd by Evans and costs about $30 per gallon but supposedly works wonders. Go on Ebay and punch in waterless coolant and it's available all over the place.

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To obtain an additional 25 to 30 horsepower,,,,I'm using bottled rainwater containing high radioactive particles,, collected exclusively from near the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the Ukraine. Its the high voltaic content promotes an extremely higher temperature surrounding the intake valves, thus creating a higher explosion factor from the fuel entering the combustion chamber.


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http://www.denso.com.au/Products/Automotive/Radiators/Technical-Informa tion/Looking-After-Your-Radiator


http://ls1tech.com/forums/general-maintenance-repairs/888251-distill ed-water-aluminum-radiator-yes-no.html

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45967

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My '97 thermostat went out on the way to Vegas. Local shop fixed it with the part from Auto Zone. Two hours later and $75 I was back on the road. Thanks to my Prowlin buddies!

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Good reading Larry, Thanks for Info. Everyone has a opinion as usual.
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Gary,,,,Cindy said you also bought some of that Chernobyl Rainwater to use in the radiator. I'll assume it also worked well for you.

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