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badfysh
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posted 11-13-2003 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for badfysh     send a private message to badfysh   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by badfysh
I am currently making custom clear lenses for 300M's as well as other custom colors to match car color. I specialize in custom "copies" of manufactured items.

I have also been approached by Intrepid owners as well as other vehicles including classics, customs, and rods.

I use a manufacturing process similar to traditional two part molding. I use existing pieces to make molds and then make copies out of a variety of materials. the result is a custom piece that does not require the cost of full production methods.

Many items are possible...interior knobs in clear or custom color? exterior lenses? moldings? trim pieces? a one of a kind item that has been broken?...the ideas and possibilities are endless.

I am posting here to get an idea of the response from prowler owners for such custom items.

Some pictures can be seen at http://www.cardomain.com/id/badfysh to get an idea. I am currently making these custom pieces myself and do not have any other web site for information.

please feel free to contact me at jnosal@autotrends.us for comments or questions.

This message has been edited by badfysh on 11-13-2003 at 02:47 AM

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Very cool, thanks for the info, stay in contact.

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posted 11-13-2003 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
If you make the clear side marker lights you will sell thousands of them, probably.
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That's being real positive there Ed -- eh, maybe.
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There has been allot of discussion on this forum about side marker lights but no one seems to have been able to make them a good price performer. If they could be done reasonably priced in clear or even the color of the Prowler I think you would have allot of interest. My suggestion would be to post the estimated price for the item and what kind of volume you would need to build tham at that price and inquire how many owners would be willing to purchase them at that price.
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based on photographs of the car, i can estimate the price to be $40-60 for the pair, add about 10-30% for color or custom color. i have not seen the marker lights in person, removed from a vehicle but they look to be about 5x3" in size. also, the price will go up if i also have to make the back housing. meaning, if the lens is removable, i can just make the lens. if it is bonded or whatever, i will have to make the front and the back. check http://www.cardomain.com/id/deepdoo1 page 6 for some pictures of a lens where I also made the back housing. for the land Rover, the lens was bonded so it would have required the purchaser to dismantle the assembly and install. so i made both pieces and sold it as a whole. in that case, i used white plastic but i can make the housing black or any other color to, on the back i mean. the housings are made with an impact/heat resistant plastic.

as for order size...i only need about 3 people interested to justify the cost. my cost involves the materials to make the molds, my time, and the lens material. i already have all of that. only other cost for me is to obtain the lights to actually make a mold.

the next step is for me to obtain a set of marker lights. i usually offer a free set of clear to anyone who will dontate a set of marker lights and in many cases, they are also returned. once again that depends on how they are assembled. sometimes unfortunately, custom work requires the destruction of original pieces.

once the mold is made however, i can produce well into the hundreds from one mold.

i should also add that my process is not limited to lenses. i can also use this process on other parts...liek interior parts, trim, switches, knobs, etc.

This message has been edited by badfysh on 11-13-2003 at 03:55 PM

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I'm interested in something related. You have mail, and thanks for posting.

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posted 11-13-2003 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for badfysh     send a private message to badfysh   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by badfysh
John,

I sent you an email.

I can make clear tail lights but do not make them in the style of the Euro lights with a colored lens on the inside. What you have to imagine is the tail light on your car, exactly as it is now, except instead of red, it is clear, or silver, or yellow, or blue, etc. The internals woudl not change, nor woudl the lens. Only the color of the lens.

I do not do custom one off pieces to resemble other things out there. I do not fabricate or prototype or outsource into full production. I make copies of existing items but in a different color or material.

Another good example is say, custom dash pieces. Lets say a show car owner wants the dash to glow....or light up. there are several options. But if your car doesnt have a high aftermarket following, thats where I come in. The option I propose is to make a mold of the factory dash piece, then cast it in transparent color, add light behind, and now you have a "glowing" dash piece. Have you ever seen clear or colored clear cell phones that light up?

I would never do that to my car, but who am I to say that others wouldn't want it. The project started by wanting clear front turn signals for my 300M. There is next to zero aftermarket out there for us M owners so I had to develop it in house. I used the factory lens, removed from the car, polished off the Chryslwer logo, then made a mold, then cast them in clear. I have done several other colors as well.

As I said before, the ideas and possibilities are endless. I am open to all suggestions and questions and of course, as a car enthusiast, will do whatever I can to develop what you are looking for.

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The lens is bonded to the back piece on the side marker lights. If I read your info on the cleaer sides correctly the side marker lights in clear on a Prowler would not be DOT legal because the turn signal lenses are in the front bumper.

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so with that in mind, it will require making a mold of both items, so you can just do a simple swap.

as for price, until i see the complexity of the backing, i cant know exactly. but usually they arent too complicated. what is a concern though is if it is mirror coated, that can be tricky.

i have a few methods for that as wel.

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posted 11-13-2003 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for badfysh     send a private message to badfysh   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by badfysh
yes. DOT states that a vehicle must have an amber front side reflector.
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I have been pulled over with no amber sidelights, no front or rear bumpers, no front fenders and no tags, got a tickets for speeding but nothing else illegal on my Prowler was mentioned.

Crying and on my knees must of helped.

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posted 11-14-2003 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
If it ain't legal it will not sell to this crowd, since no one ever breaks any laws here. lol
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quote:
Originally posted by badfysh:
yes. DOT states that a vehicle must have an amber front side reflector.


yellow bulb gives it a amber front marker.

many new cars have them clear with amber bulbs..........and if we are talking DOT....I have been driving mine for over 4 years without front bumpers and have not been stopped. I doubt it would cause anyone a problem unless the law enforcement officer was a real PR*CK .......then it wouldn't matter if you had yellow strobe lights up there, he will find something to cite you for.

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technically spe4aking, a yellow bulb is not enough, even if lit. the law states that a reflector must be present.

this is in case the vehicle has no power, a car lights flasing across the reflector would warn other drivers.

anyway, since when do car enthusiasts car about laws like that.

also, i was checking out some prowler photos and i noticed a prowler also has a third middle brake light mounted to the trunk lid. that could also be made clear or to match the car color.

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We know that there is interest in clear marker lights. Many have tried, none have delivered. The stumbling block is price. I would pay up to $70.00 for a proper fitting pair of clear markers. I would also like to have a clear third brake light. I would like to follow up on that. How much and how long?
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the only thing keeping me from making a set for pictures is i need a set to copy. i have no idea where to get them. i have searched but it seems nto may places offer parts for prowlers.

once i receive a set in hand. i can usually produce a prototype copy in 3-5 days. after that i can produce one a day.

depending on complexity of the lens, those numbers may increase if its a basic lens. if it reequires more than a two part mold, that is complex and sometimes requires more work.

my most recent lens made can be seen at http://pub88.ezboard.com/f300menthusiastsclubfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=493.topic&start=1&stop=20

scroll down the page, you will see the factory piece, then furtehr down you will see the prototype clear piece i made and then a photo of it installed in the mirror. in case you dont know, 300M's come with an orange lens in the signal mirror. i have made a clear one.

you can also look at http://www.cardomain.com/id/badfysh page 2 for a comparison of a stock orange turn signal lens and a clear set that I made. thats the best I can do for pics right now. I cant take apicture of a part I dont have yet, and I havent made any prolwer parts to date.

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I have already sent one side marker out to someone who is trying to do the create the same thing. However, I do have another lense that I have already disassembled that you are welcome to try to use. I was in the process of trying to do the same thing you want to, but I never got around to finishing it. If you are interested in having me send you the already disassembled side marker, contact me at info@MagicTouchDesigns.com and let me know where to send it.

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William, you have mail.

Anyone else that has a set of tail lights/third brake light that can be used, donated, purchased, sacrificed, or know of a place to get spares cheap I would be interested to move forward on this project and get some custom pieces on some Prowlers.

Please email me at jnosal@autotrends.us if you can help or if you have questions or comments.

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I have 2 extra Third lights, because my 2 Kats have spoilers which comes with its own. Let me know if you want to borrow it. Return it when your done so i can keep my garage full of prowler junk.

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I would love to borrow. Just to be safe, and possibly make more than one mold, could I keep them for say 2 weeks?

jnosal@autotrends.us for my address.

Thanks,

Joe

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They are in the mail!!!

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thank you gys for the opprotunity to make somethign for your cars. I will make the side markers and third brake lens as soon as i get them to get a set out to you ASAP.

then I will post some pics, and hopefulyl when you receive them you can take some photos of them installed and then i will start accepting orders. i will have a firm price by then too.

thanks again. i will keep my eye out for those parts.

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Can you match Prowler purple?
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sure thing, just need a sample or a really good photo

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