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Black Tie 161     POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:MD, USA |
posted 08-26-2004 07:24 AM
    
Yeah, I'm a bit concerned about increased under hood pressure. I don't know how severe it would be or at what speed it becomes a serious issue. Maybe if I didn't have this "underneath" air scoop face forward and placed it sideways to reduce the ram-air effect? Removing the rubber strip at the windshield base might allow some extra flow-thru? I know whatever I do, it will be a hidden mod because that's what my wallet will only allow me to do...LOL. This message has been edited by Black Tie 161 on 08-26-2004 at 07:25 AM |
Marty Usher      POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 08-26-2004 08:19 AM
Well - the cold air intake is another mod I am going to replace. I will either figure a way to run tubing form the cavities where my headlights use to be or do something similar to KOOLKAT. Having the cone filter sitting near the side panel exposed to the heat of the engine just causes too m uch hot air to be sucked wend. I have read that this can have a significant adverse effect on top end performance. If I can't figure something outI'll just go back to the stock setup with a K&N filter. |
bbcar POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St. Louis, Mo. U.S.A. |
posted 08-26-2004 08:56 AM
First - my 97 air intake behind the side panel is identical to the photos in the orig. post. Second - I used to run K+N filters all the time, now I am not convinced that they flow enough if any more air to displace their high cost. A clean filter should be more than needed. Third - Chrysler corp. used what parts it had in their parts bin when designing the Prowler to keep the cost down. That is why we are using a Neon filter. This filter is a little smaller than the filter used on LS-1 Camaros + Trans Am's and I promise you that they require a LOT more air than our cars do. Barry  |
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Black Tie 161 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:MD, USA |
posted 08-26-2004 10:02 AM
quote: I saw on Hot Rod TV..they had a special on air filters. they had a K&N and a paper filter each in a clear sealed display box with a ping pong ball on top. They started up the airflow within the box, and the paper filter let the ball float just an inch or so off the top, while the K&N let so much air thru, the ball was pegged at the top of the box. The new K&N lets SO MUCH more air in, that's why we have to disconnect the batteyr so the computer can acclimate to the immense amount of new air introduced. I put a K&N in the stock box on my wife's T-Bird, and her car stalled a bit in the first 10 minutes as the computer was adjusting to all that air. To me there's no question of the benefits of a K&N, just concerned about the air temp at the intake like everyone else... |
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bbcar POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St. Louis, Mo. U.S.A. |
posted 08-26-2004 10:10 AM
Sorry still don't buy it! You can't always believe what you see or hear. Barry If you disconnected the battery the computer was in the relearning stage and that is why it stalled. This message has been edited by bbcar on 08-26-2004 at 10:12 AM |
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Black Tie 161 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:MD, USA |
posted 08-26-2004 10:16 AM
You're a hard sell bbcar...LOL. if I made a filter paper mask for you to breathe out of, you'd suffocate vs. a mask made out of K&N filter material. |
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bbcar POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St. Louis, Mo. U.S.A. |
posted 08-26-2004 10:27 AM
By the way if you all know how a engine pulls in air you should know it will only pull in the air created by vacume of the piston, a dirty or restricted filter will cut down the amount of air it takes in. having a higher flowing filter will only help if the stock filter is restrictive. I have tried several different styles of filters and using none at all on my 70 stage 1 GS at the drag strip and did not see any gain at all from stock filter and factory air can. The car was a 4-speed and ran consistant 13.30's I also changed from quadrajet to spread bore holley any even though the carbs gave different seat of the pants feel the e.t.'s were the same. Then Q-jet was more crisp at low end and lacked top end pull. the holley felt soft on low end but felt like it pulled harder top end. As was found with the stock air box on the prowler I feel that the same will eventually be found on all these HI FLOW air filters. Barry This message has been edited by bbcar on 08-26-2004 at 10:28 AM |
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bbcar POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St. Louis, Mo. U.S.A. |
posted 08-26-2004 10:31 AM
Hey Black Tie - I used to paint cars for Rays Corvettes here in St. Louis and I did use a paper filter and guess what, I am still here. Barry |
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bbcar POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St. Louis, Mo. U.S.A. |
posted 08-26-2004 10:40 AM
Yeah I used to buy all of the go fast gimmicks like K+N but I guess I just gave up on that stuff as I never saw any improvement with it. If you had a true ram air on a Prowler it would help and so would cold air as it is denser than hot air. I just don't think a filter change is going to make a differnce.It never has for me. Oh and yes I am Hard headed. I did pull out the little mufflers in the tailpipe tips of my Prowler as I feel the small dia. made them restrictive and I did replace my air filter on my Prowler with a new stock one as it was filthy at 8600 miles. (car had 8500 when I bought it). Barry |
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bbcar POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St. Louis, Mo. U.S.A. |
posted 08-26-2004 10:51 AM
Hey Blue Bullet- I think a lot of people think that their car is faster with the open filters because of the sound of air coming in makes then feel they are going faster. Even if they actually got a 5 or 6 hp gain there is no way they could actually feel it in the performance of their car. I also agree with you about the factory system, the only problem with the stock system is it necks down when it turns to go to the filter, I don't know if the engine actually would require more air than can flow at that point. Barry This message has been edited by bbcar on 08-26-2004 at 10:53 AM |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 08-26-2004 01:54 PM
Ok, I just took a cursury look at the car again from underneath driver side of the car (passenger side is up against the garage wall, and I didn't jack it up). I believe that I can successfully run my idea to the stock airbox, OR to the MTD intake. This will be a sealed system ram air (to either intake setup) so under hood pressures will not be a problem. "Necking down" as you called it, increases airflow speed going into the airbox. Marty, planning on a trip to Houston any time soon? I could look at other cars, but yours is the best one for me to look at to progress on this idea. |
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Bcoffman Gray Ghost Prowler Junkie From:Marshall,Mo.65340 |
posted 08-26-2004 03:39 PM
quote: You go Barry. We're from Missouri. "Show Me" |
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