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lionberger    POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 04-15-2010 05:07 PM
    
My fuel pump on my 1997 quit again and the dealer has them on back order and doesn't know when he'll get one. Since this will be my sixth pump in two years I don't have much faith in the OEM unit. Bosch (part #67767) has one for the 1999 but no one has one for the 1997. My question is this, are 1997 and 1999 interchangeable and has anyone any experience with the Bosch unit? Thanks in advance, Rick. |
ed monahan                POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 04-15-2010 08:21 PM
Some have upgraded to a Neon fuel pump. Do a search (on the upper right side) and just type in Neon or fuel pump and you will gets lots of info. |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 04-15-2010 09:56 PM
You took the last pump for the 97 about a week before I went to get it for mine. The 97 pumps are specific to the 97. Who said they were on back order? I was told they wont be making any more by my dealer. If you hear word on any more pumps for the 97, please post here for us. If you take it in to a dealer, let us know what their plan of action is since none exist. I was thinking of maybe trying to get them to just give me a neon pump instead and let me put it in as mine is under warranty as well until mid/late may. Best thing to do is make sure you have it on record that you got the pump diagnosed failure while still under warranty. I know the neon pump has been used on other year model Prowlers, but to my knowledge, it's never been used on a 97. With the 97 pump specific to the 97, I don't know what the difference is, but I can't say the neon would even work on the 97. This message has been edited by idive on 04-16-2010 at 01:12 AM |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 04-16-2010 08:24 AM
When I took the 97 in to the dealer I asked the woman in the parts department if the 97 was the same as the 1999 and (after checking her screen) said that they were the same up to 2001. She told me that her information showed that there is an avaiable quanity of -1 with two due in on the 26th of April and that no dealers currently have any in stock. I,m thinking about using an in-line pump spliced into the fuel line between the tank and the engine. I don't know why that wouldn't work and it is a lot cheaper too. |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 04-16-2010 10:33 AM
I have been combing my maintenence manual and have found the differences between the 97 fuel pump and all others. The Fuel Pressure regulator on the 97 is on the intake and is vacuum operated. The later models is integrated into the fuel pump and is mechanical. The pressure is 49 psi on both so why can't the 97 one be bypased (removing vacuum opens it all the way) relying on the one in the tank? |
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onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 04-16-2010 11:23 AM
Go to the Milehiprowlers.com site and under the Maintenance, Performance, and Appearance Discussions I have a picture illustrated how to get the pump out and in and how to up grade the unit... If you need the wrench I will be more than happy to send it to you as it was donated by Randy Hamilton when I repaired his.. You can remove it yourself and replace it or I will replace it for you... In the Farmer Fix story it even gives you the place to order the Walbro up grade pump... Call them and see what they have for your car and ship it to me and like my window reg. repair, I will do it for FREE... You must pay the shipping both ways... John(onecatnodog)Collins my E mail is jcollinshemi@yahoo.com or call me 720-934-3540 |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 04-16-2010 12:27 PM
quote: Obviously, my need for one wasn't put into the system when I was last at the dealer and the -1 is the one you needed. Between you and me the 2 they are making are basically gone. Making just 2 of these at a time is hardly worth their effort!        (OR did you just mean that dealer is getting 2 sent to them?) This message has been edited by idive on 04-17-2010 at 01:55 AM |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 04-21-2010 07:02 AM
Got the car back from the dealer who could find nothing wrong, the car is running just fine. This is worse than if he found something major. Guess I will drive it close to home! |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 04-21-2010 07:14 PM
Well, thats good news, I guess, but a drag not to be able to drive very far away. What are the symptoms you experienced? Codes thrown? Service engine soon light on? etc. |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 04-22-2010 07:32 AM
I get a service engine light flashing "misfire" codes (300, 301 305). It happened again after getting it from the dealer, twice, and it was after leaving the car set for about half an hour each time. After a quarter mile or so it smooths out and is OK. It almost acts like vapor lock but,even during an "event" the car idles fine. I'll drive it locally and try different things to see how they affect the problem. So far it hasn't left me stranded. |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 04-22-2010 03:55 PM
Those codes represent multiple cylinder misfire, cylinder 1 misfire, and cylinder 5 misfire. I've gotten the 305 before. Next time you get a light on get it read at autozone and ask them to print it up for you. It may list other possible causes for the codes. |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 04-22-2010 05:52 PM
I have a code reader but that is all it gives me is the code. I have had them read at Autozone in the past and got the same information. |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 05-07-2010 11:49 AM
As of yesterday, the date for these pumps has been pushed back to May 24. That's when they are due to leave the manufacturer. Then they go to the warehouse. Then they get sent to where they are needed. That puts them about 5 weeks out. They are only making 2 of them and they are both spoken for. I have asked several people why they would make only 2 pumps. everyone I asked told me that since the bailouts, they've lost alot of their vendors since they could not pay them what was owed. And the vendors aren't eager to give them any more business, so they have had to seek out other vendors. These are going to be "test" parts and we will be the guinnea pigs. Maybe they'll work, maybe they won't. A sign of future parts for our cars? |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 05-07-2010 02:14 PM
My car has been running fine except for loosing power on the freeway momentarily when the cruise turned itself off. I'm starting to believe that the fuel pump isn't the culpret. Bob (Prowler Junkie) had a good idea. He suggested that I check some of the grounding points and the positive battery cable. I'm doing that tomorrow, weather permitting. I'll post the results. |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 05-07-2010 03:03 PM
"As of yesterday, the date for these pumps has been pushed back to May 24. That's when they are due to leave the manufacturer."
Think that meant, on the hoses,,,, they were trying to get some vendor to make them, since the OEM vendor had closed their doors after the Chrysler BQ. I'm not saying you won't get one,,,,,but just take a deep breath since there might be a 50/50 chance that they are just stalling, and telling you what you want to hear??? Let us know when the new fuel pump arrives....... |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 05-07-2010 07:02 PM
My OEM pump lasted 10 years. I bought one from one of our parts vendors and had it replaced Thanksgiving 08. It went out in February 09, less than 3 months later. I had that one replaced May 18, 2009 for my trip to Branson first week in June. It went out in Branson. Didn't even last 2 weeks. I just went back to the dealer for a diagnosis, and it came back as a bad fuel pump. I thought it would be covered under the 12 month 12K mile warranty from the last replacement done in May 09. They are telling me that the only one warranteed was the one I bought in July 08 and had installed in Nov. 08, which is no longer under warranty. So this one's out of my pocket again. I'm not sure I want it at this point. I might try the Walbro. (Is the Walbro and the neon pump one and the same?) They also mentioned I needed a new MAP sensor. Will try that and see if anything changes. (BTW, that's cheaper at Hendricks than it is at Go Chrysler.) One of the possible issues P0171 mentions is the MAP sensor. |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 05-08-2010 07:54 AM
I got the same thing with my dealer about the warranty. I had three replacements under it until it ran out. Since there are no more (and won't be any more) pumps it is a moot point. If I really need another pump I'll go with the Walbro. It is the Neon SRT pump and John Collins has an excellent link on how to install it on this site and at: http://milehiprowlers.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=33&sid=dc22760940ae59c432d4c9b2ea36bd49 |
SuperDave POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Murphy, Texas |
posted 05-08-2010 09:31 PM
The fuel pump in my 97 Prowler was replaced with one of the Walbro units in 2008. You can see some details about it in this post . The pump was a fairly simple replacement and has worked flawlessly since then. The Walbro sells for $110 and it should fix your pump issues, I highly recommend this one! Dave |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 05-09-2010 12:33 AM
Thanks for confirming the Walbro in the 97, Dave.  |
catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 05-22-2010 03:05 PM
lionberger,its not the fuel pump. a pump will not cause a misfire code.so dont waste your money.i suggest you take it to a repair shop that can diagnos whats causing the misfire.you need somebody very very knowledgeable. ------------------ |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 05-22-2010 05:24 PM
I agree. It has been running fine and if it was the pump it would have quit by now. I have to wait until it happens again before I take it to someone who has some expertise. |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 09-20-2010 06:32 PM
I just had the Walbro Neon SRT-4 conversion done and so far so good. More pep, easier starts and no service codes, so far. It is still early though. I asked for and received my old pump back and surprize, surprize it is a Walbro with a Chrysler part number on it. If I have any further problems I will be sure to post them. |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 11-01-2010 01:38 PM
UPDATE on the new 97 guinnea pig pump I was told they only made 1 and I got it 6-23-10 and installed it at dealer 9-29-10. After about 20 miles driving it, it felt better at first but I didn't romp on it, but stepping on it for pick up was strong. Took a few tries to start and seemed to fluctuate at first. Next drive was 45 miles. Stopped at store and took several tries to restart and chugged a little after starting. Otherwise ran good and felt good. Good pick up. Stomping on it gave no issues. Felt like old cruisin' days. Next drive was 28 miles. Half way thru, after turning off, it took several tries to start. The 3 bump pre-start method worked fine. Bogged down when goosing it or stomping on it. Slow to respond. Light came on at end of trip. Coded P0171 AGAIN. After only about 125 miles the pump is out again. Obviously the new vendor is giving us the same old crappy pumps. Next pump will be the Neon pump. For a more detailed update refer to the bottom of http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003631.html lionberger - have you taken any longer trips using a full tank or more yet? How's it holding up? |
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lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 11-01-2010 03:13 PM
Sorry to hear that you are still having trouble. I have only put a little over 300 miles on mine since having the Neon pump installed but my confidence in it has soared. It sat over a week while I drove my '71 Cuda and when I went to start it I barely touched the key and it fired right up. I have had no problems at all with it starting or running and have not gotten anymore trouble lights. The engine seems as if it has more power than ever. As it now stands I would take it across country without giving it a second thought even with only the 300 miles on the new pump. I put it away for the winter a couple of days ago and plan to start it in about a month to see if there are any problems. I don't anticipate any. The Walbro conversion is the way to go and a lot cheaper than the stock pump, if you could find one. Even though the dealer did mine the conversion is not hard and the peace of mind is priceless. By the way, when I took mine to the dealer they told me I could wait until the next stock pump was available (10/26) but I declined even though that one was "free." Good luck and keep us posted. |
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SuperDave POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Murphy, Texas |
posted 11-03-2010 09:35 PM
I've had a Walbro replacement in my 1997 for a few years now, I haven't had any issues at all. Good luck to you! Dave |
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