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After extensive research through the archives, (12 minutes).... I am trying to find a good contact for the fuel pump swap. I called A.P.E (John Collins) as mentioned in one of the posts, but never heard of him...(onecatnodog??). Anyways, I would like to do a direct swap, and send my old pump back in for credit, so my cat doesn't sit without a pump in it for 1-2 weeks. Any ideas?? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!! Andy
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Try this google link it will give you every post about Prowler fuel pumps ever posted, good luck.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS573US573&espv=2&q=fuel+pump+site%3Awww.prowleronline.com&oq=fuel+pump+site%3Awww.prowleronline.com&gs_l=serp.12...8213.8213.0.10153.1.1 .0.0.0.0.117.117.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.54.serp..1.0.0.08vyxxH4RAY
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posted 10-01-2014 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WildCat     send a private message to WildCat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WildCat
I did the SRT 4 pump change in mine in 2007. It wasn't a hard thing to do but took a little time and mechanical ability

The pump was about $110 and the tool and correct pin connectors maybe $20

A stock Prowler pump at the time was about $400

If you feel you do not have the skills required check with a shop about changing it for you.

Dan Pena did a detailed thread on the change and I did one on part numbers for tool and pins

No reason for the car to be down more than an hour or two if you have all the right parts before you start.
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003719-3.html

Check out Johns thread

This message has been edited by WildCat on 10-01-2014 at 06:12 PM

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If I recieved a call from you and didn't return it please forgive me.. I have been swamped as of late but still managed to do 2 SRT4 Pump conversions including the Stroker car that I have in my garage.. They were shipped to me with a turn around in a week even though I always say two weeks.. I also helped one person that did my conversion over the phone.. If you called me at my cell 720-934-3540 I always answer or return the call.. Please try again.. Please try more than once if you don't get thru.. I do charge a fee of $100. plus shipping if I do the job.. .. I did give input to some one that was supposed to send me a pump and I told him that there would be a two week turn around but he never sent me his old pump or never ordered the Summit SRT pump and ship it to me so I could do the swap... I do not have a extra housing to do the switch so sending your old pump to me is what it takes... Again I try to Answer All Calls, E Mails, Texts in a Timely Fashion.. You would be the first to fall thru the cracks.. It could happen.. Call me again or text John(onecatnodog) 720-934-3540 or send me a E mail to jcollinshemi@yahoo.com if you are still interest in getting the repair.. I will be at a consert with my wife tonight so leave a message.. John(onecatnodog)720-934-3540
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Thanks (1buddyc) and (onecatnodog) for all the help with getting my objective on track!! I really do appreciate it!! Andy
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Does the SRT 4 pump change enhance performance?
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posted 10-28-2014 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
Only if your stock pump is not performing 100 %.
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I am replacing the pump with a new stock unit per local dealer. Fuel sender went bad, might as well at 30k miles. By the way, finding a new fuel filter (mine full of black residue, nearly plugged per tech) has been painful, had to use 2001 part number to find one on parts.com. I used an ancient post from Catfish to find that the 2001 part was the same, only different number. Does that sound correct to you?
1999 part number 4725433AA (not available)
2001 - 2002 number: 4865360AA (available)
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Drbutton, DO NOT get a factory pump!! Read through all the posts. Will not last. Onecatnodog can be of great help to you. My swap turned out great!! No more "long crank time/hard start hot", no more "Fuel pump whine cold" and.....it did increase my performance. Andy
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Drbutton, I ordered the external in-line fuel filter part#4865360AA from Part.Com because they showed it as available. When the order was processed their customer service said I ordered the wrong part #for my VIN (2001 Prowler) and changed it to 4897416AB. This part# is for the in-tank fuel strainer which is inside the fuel pump canister. After some discussion they said what I needed wasn't available from them. I double checked with a local dealer and learned the part# I wanted was discontinued and not available from any Chrysler dealers. If you find an after market replacement let us know.
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I suppose at this point I am waiting for the same process of filter order failure to play out at parts.com. They are giving me a similar run around as the one VinceM describes. I would like better performance from taking different pump, and it might help if that pump comes with a filter. Is that the case?
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posted 11-04-2014 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drbutton     send a private message to drbutton   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by drbutton
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Originally posted by 1of1576:
Drbutton, DO NOT get a factory pump!! Read through all the posts. Will not last. Onecatnodog can be of great help to you. My swap turned out great!! No more "long crank time/hard start hot", no more "Fuel pump whine cold" and.....it did increase my performance. Andy

Thanks...I contacted onecatnidog and he gave me the info I need for the swap. The current Summit Racing pump part number is VPN-GCA761-2. Here is the link: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpn-gca761-2/overview/
He does need a working stock Prowler housing to do the swap.
Unfortunately, this does not fix the fuel filter (upper) problem I am also dealing with. I will report back any success or failure I experience regarding that matter.

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Here is the update:

- I did install the Mopar (current recommended) Prowler fuel pump as I had no housing to send in and the sender, not the pump, went bad. I did not want to give onedognocat a unit that still had problems. I am going to try to get the original housing from the dealer tech and maybe choose to work with that. The car is running again, and for me that is the priority now.

- An attempt to patch a circa 1999 Dodge Caravan external fuel filter was a failed effort. Messing with the fuel lines to try and accomodate this change (the Caravan filter is longer) was deemed too risky for leaks. Instead, the original filter was reverse-flushed and salvaged. As near as I can tell, there is NO replacement for the external fuel filter on a Prowler, any year. Parts.com did not come through, and the Prowler Store told me that no one is making a replacement. The Prowler Store rep felt as thought the filter in the pump housing would be adequate...my tech was not so sure. Thus the reverse gasoline flush and reinstall.

If you have any other ideas for me here, please let me know.

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drburton did you keep the old Prowler housing when they put in the new complete factory Prowler fuel pump...
onecatnodog at 720-934-3540
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I asked the dealer to keep it, and when they could not come up with it, I asked them to look for it, but they never got back to me. I'll call back tomorrow and see if they ever came up with it. The tech knows that even used Prowler parts have value, so I'll be quite unhappy if they "threw it away".

By the way, my car smelled very strongly of gasoline fumes after driving it, but no dripping. If that happens again tomorrow, it's back to the shop!

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Originally posted by drbutton:
I asked the dealer to keep it, and when they could not come up with it, I asked them to look for it, but they never got back to me. I'll call back tomorrow and see if they ever came up with it. The tech knows that even used Prowler parts have value, so I'll be quite unhappy if they "threw it away".

By the way, my car smelled very strongly of gasoline fumes after driving it, but no dripping. If that happens again tomorrow, it's back to the shop!


Since you specifically asked for the old pump to be returned to you, I would suggest DEMANDING they return it to you.

When they admit they don't have it, DEMAND they find another one even if it is another new one.

It can't hurt to let them know you must have that part back.

If the Mechanic and Service Writer fail to produce the old part, continue up the chain of command to the Service Department Manager, then onto the General Manager of the Dealership. If all else fails, ask to speak with the owner of the dealership.

Tell them that without the old part back, they have NO Proof it was replaced. It may work as incentive.

As a last resort, if you paid with a credit card....Open a DISPUTE with the Credit Card Company telling them the dealer charged you for repairs you are not convinced they performed. For all you know, they fixed a loose ground wire and didn't replace the pump. See where that goes.

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Drbutton, see my post titled "Fuel pump swap update" under general discussion, it may help you feel better. As a retired Chry/ply/dodge Service Manager, I agree with all that "alrtg" stated in her post..... Although, good luck. I can not tell for sure by your post if you asked for the housing back when you picked up your car (or) after 1-3 days. Regardless, the housing assy's are IMPOSSIBLE to get. Good luck, Andy

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DrBurtton, Fill the car with fuel and take it for a aggressive drive on the way home, stopping and starting and cornering hard left and right around the block then pull it into the garage and take a bright flashlight and shine it just above the rear driverside tire were the fuel pump cap that holds the fuel pump in place.. You can see it from there with the car on the ground.. If it is wet then the cap is not tight or they did not use the new style O ring for the cap that holds the fuel pump in place and that is your leak.. If it is dry go to the front of your car passenger side by the crossmember and look for a leak there by the catalytic converter between the firewall and the back of the engine as I have fixed quite a few that the factory line has a pin hole in it there and it sprays close to the hot exhaust and vaporizes the fuel so you don't see a leak but you can smell it..
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"onecatnodog" knows everything about this, and although,you made the wrong decision about this,we are still here to help you through this,,,,Andy
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Thanks John for the advice. I'll take the car out and check those spots.

They disposed of the old pump and housing, and claim that the parts employee who pitched it is "no longer with the dealership". I agree, Andy, that I made some mistakes handling this repair. However, replacing the pump is beyond my mechanical ability. So the labor I need to have done to maintain my Prowler must be done somewhere, and maintaining a working relationship with the tech who can do this is important. At least it is running now.

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It sounds to me like whomever you spoke with fed you a line of BS.

If there was no core charge on the fuel pump, there would be NO reason at all for the mechanic to return it to the Parts Department. (I have worked in Dealership Parts Departments over the years which is why I believe this.)

My educated guess is that the "Mechanic" that worked on the car is who disposed of the old parts. I would further surmise that happened because the Service Writer failed to mention you wanted the old parts back.

In the end, their admitting they disposed of the part does not solve the issue of getting the old part back at all, but if you are satisfied and accept their explanation that is all that matters.

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Well it smells of gasoline around the rear tires in the back after being driven for more than a few minutes, so its back at the Chrysler dealership. We'll see. Not much can be done about the housing now.
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Get that fuel leak fixed as we don't need to loose another Prowler... Make sure they used the new style "0" ring on the cap and that it's tight... onecatnodog
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I have a question... What would cause my car to die once the vehicle says 1/4 of the tank left until empty?

Once I put 8gallons in her, she fires right up and works again.

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Originally posted by CCJ:
I have a question... What would cause my car to die once the vehicle says 1/4 of the tank left until empty?

Once I put 8gallons in her, she fires right up and works again.


Is it possible your gas gauge is off and when reading 1/4 it's actually close to empty? Also where the hell have you been? You've been missed and we all want to see how you're creation is coming. How is Leslie and her Purple Prowler? Alley Cat has been trying to get hold of you from the mother ship.


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