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posted 05-20-2017 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mslc10     send a private message to mslc10   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by mslc10
Of those with computer issues please describe how what where. Let's start a thread of these and see if any similarities.
Did it fry during a jump , or while cranking from a low/dead battery and then car fired up.
Does your car have stock electrical system?
Non stock audio system?
Any other current-drawing electronics?

We might explore using a stiffening cap on the output of the alternator:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-sP28OTMcKAK/learn/learningcenter/car/capacitors/faq.html

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posted 05-20-2017 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mslc10     send a private message to mslc10   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by mslc10
Another interesting link about alternators
http://www.maniacelectricmotors.com/will-a-high-output-alternator-damage-the-ecu-pcm-ecm.html
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How many with ECM failures used a battery tender with the de-sulfating feature with the battery hooked up?
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posted 05-21-2017 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quincy     send a private message to quincy   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by quincy
Thanks for posting the links on the 'stiffening' capacitor and HO alternator information. It was very informative! And, I believe it might help every one to perform the 'Original Catfish Preventative Measures' to the wiring harness in specific locations.

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Another interesting link about alternators
http://www.maniacelectricmotors.com/will-a-high-output-alternator-damage-the-ecu- pcm-ecm.html

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Oh Man! That was a TON of work! I was in the auto business for 35 years and was told once an ECM was potted that was it.....no repair was possible. Just goes to show you how diligent and creative our POA members are.....and perhaps desperate as well! Keep up the good work....I really hope you are successful in your quest!

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Originally posted by Tomcal:

Cover of PCM removed shows conformal jelly like coating encapsulating PCM. Digging out coating. EEPROM is in a difficult position to desolder and reinstall. Have not yet sourced a replacement EEPROM. See progress pictures below.


[img]http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads
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I seen this on Craigslist and it looks to be topic related. I have not contacted the individual but the add states "I flash and program all make and models of Dodge ram truck Diesel and Gasoline and chrysler,Ram,Jeep , Fiat , ... Truck and cars.Engine control module (ECM) and transmission control module ( TCM) programming and repair if needed. I can Repair,flash and program all modules and key as well." The Prowler is included in the list. Here's the link http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/6093273058.html
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Originally posted by Steve Schroeder:
I seen this on Craigslist and it looks to be topic related. I have not contacted the individual but the add states "I flash and program all make and models of Dodge ram truck Diesel and Gasoline and chrysler,Ram,Jeep , Fiat , ... Truck and cars.Engine control module (ECM) and transmission control module ( TCM) programming and repair if needed. I can Repair,flash and program all modules and key as well." The Prowler is included in the list. Here's the link http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/6093273058.html

This should be their website.
http://www.hitechelectroecm.com/

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I went onto the company web site and sent them an inquiry today, the 29th. I'll give it some time and then post their reply, negative or positive.......
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Its been 5 days.....have not received any response from the business in regards to our engine controller..perhaps they have a glut of emails to get through...
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quote:
Originally posted by quincy:
Thanks for posting the links on the 'stiffening' capacitor and HO alternator information. It was very informative! And, I believe it might help every one to perform the 'Original Catfish Preventative Measures' to the wiring harness in specific locations.


Can you post link to above "measures"? Are you speaking of the " loosening of tie wraps" ?

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PCM repair update.....

EEPROM Chip is obsolete, but I've located a source for new old stock EEPROM chip for PCM. Naturally, it's in the Far East and will take about 2-3 weeks to arrive here.

Far East is notorious for Fake Chips. Hope this is real deal.

Confident I can remove old chip and re-solderer new one.

Assuming all goes well, you now have a PCM with no programing (memory). Still need to have it Flashed somehow.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tomcal:

PCM repair update.....

EEPROM Chip is obsolete, but I've located a source for new old stock EEPROM chip for PCM. Naturally, it's in the Far East and will take about 2-3 weeks to arrive here.

Far East is notorious for Fake Chips. Hope this is real deal.

Confident I can remove old chip and re-solderer new one.

Assuming all goes well, you now have a PCM with no programing (memory). Still need to have it Flashed somehow.


Not many people on the POA forum are capable of replacing that EEPROM chip, I am going to assume you have the equipment and experience to do it? Just asking.
I am very interested in those type of soldering skills but have never attempted to tackle one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZypXa9BDXHw
doesn't look too bad with the right tools and patients.lol

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Padroo,

There are many methods used in replacing surface mounted chips, your link shows one of them. A steady hand, patience and fairly basic soldering tools will do for the type of EEPROM used in our PCM. I've done this before.

Mega-leg high density four sided chips is a whole different story.

It's a work in progress, feasibility/proof of concept.

Stay tuned.....

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United Radio http://www.unitedradio.com/

they did a great job repairing my BCM for a fair price.

Apparently they bought up a lot of Chrysler's spare parts during chapter 11

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I spoke with United Radio a few months ago. They Do Not repair PCM/ECM's from any manufacture. They will do BCM's.
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Just FYI for those of you with 1997 Prowlers...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Engine-Control-Module-ECU-ECM-PCM-MOPAR-fits-1997-Plymouth-Prowler-3-5L-V6-/252934863535?epid=115461588&hash=item3ae417baaf:g:gtcAAOSw~qNZfnA9&vxp=mtr

For $900 you can get a brand NEW Mopar ECM. At the time of this posting they had 30 pcs left. If that were for my 1999 I would buy one just for a spare.

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A little more research has uncovered that MoparGiants has stock of the 1999 ECM for a little over $600:

https://www.moparpartsgiant.com/parts/mopar-module-engine-controller~4815905ag.html


I just ordered one for a spare. I doubt that with the scarcity of these items that this will be hard to resell in the future if I do not end up using it (I could be wrong), so I took the plunge and purchased one as a spare. I view it as kinda like insurance for $600 that I will never have an issue with not being able to get a replacement ECM. Without an ECM your car is worthless.

When it comes in I will install it and see how it works. i will let you all know.

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http://www.moparpartsgiant.com/parts/mopar-module-engine-controller~4815905ag.html

You have to remove the S after the http to make the link work, directly.
thanks for posting the info.

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Well, it is never going to arrive. I just received the following email:

Thank you for ordering parts with us.
We are writing to inform you that order C903948 has been voided. Your order has been voided because of the following reason(s): The ordered part(s) have been discontinued (no longer available) and/or is backordered with no ETA date by the manufacture.

It would have been real nice if they had updated the web site so that it did not show that they had stock. UGH.

Back to square one. Make that square zero.

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1.Where did the P601 code come from? I found no traces of it in the factory service manual.
2.If one were to get this code, does it limp mode the engine or does the car just stop? Or neither?
3.Why would the dealer DRB not have the ability to reset this?
4.If car still runs and this is only what appears to be some kind of memory retention(I maybe wrong on that),then aside from the check engine light being on, how would it affect the engine parameters regarding emission equipment?
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1.Where did the P601 code come from? I found no traces of it in the factory service manual.
The code came from anywhere on internet. http://www.engine-codes.com/p0601_chrysler.html
2.If one were to get this code, does it limp mode the engine or does the car just stop? Or neither?
Neither.
3.Why would the dealer DRB not have the ability to reset this?
It is a internal computer memory failure, can not be reset.
4.If car still runs and this is only what appears to be some kind of memory retention(I maybe wrong on that),then aside from the check engine light being on, how would it affect the engine parameters regarding emission equipment?
It does not effect the emissions equipment, many members have drove for years with no problems, but if your in a state that does emissions testing, they will fail you because check engine light is on. Can't pass emissions test, registration suspended, no tags.
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P0601 code is shown in "Powertrain Diagnostic Procedures" service manual. 1 of 4 manuals for Prowler.

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So,....can we all take away from this that this code is being driven by an internal problem(part failure), that has no path from an external hook up, say using the dealers DRB that can be accessed and cleared. Or accessed/cleared from ANY advanced repair shop and capable or better computer equipment?
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it seems this code can be fixed on other Chrysler computers. just not the Prowler. I had same code on my 01 PT cruiser, I bought a computer on ebay with exchange for mine for $159 including shipping both ways. Unplug old and plug in new, no problems. I asked them if they could do Prowler and they said no, they had tried several times already.
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I have contacted 3 repair outfits that specialize in computer repairs. One of them has been fixing/modifying Chrysler products for over 25 years. Should have info next week during normal business hours. Stay tuned!

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