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posted 06-02-2004 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for catfish     send a private message to catfish   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by catfish
it's the american way.as much as i dislike most of the ricers,they are kinda like the horses.theres millions of them out there.don't know why but they dont seem to screw w/prowlers,maybe its those big rear tires.rmemeber when you wouldn't be caught dead driving a 4dr.whats this world coming to.

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This message has been edited by jan bruggeman on 06-02-2004 at 04:29 PM

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posted 06-02-2004 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for prwlyn     send a private message to prwlyn   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by prwlyn
To Cobra40,
All I know is that the car was a Mustnag and it had Cobra enblems on the side and was a newer model. They all look alike anyway, oh Prowlers do too.. Please understand that the next time I have one want to race I'll politely ask him to pull over so I can verify he is what he represents BEFORE blowing his doors off. Now I've had enough V8's to know his car was a 8 and not a V6. But my poor little V6 still sucked the doors off the thing. All the comments your Mustnag owners or you make still do not make it any less sweeter to WIN. Prowler Food!

Holdit! Late comment came in from the wife.. Those that can DO, those that can't DISS!

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This message has been edited by prwlyn on 06-02-2004 at 05:17 PM

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Way to go Debe!
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posted 06-02-2004 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for catfish     send a private message to catfish   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by catfish
good one fred.i love it.when a prowler in the future,is worth 50 to 75 grand or more,and they will be,all those stangs will be in the bone yard worth zip.

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Mustang Cobra, isn't that made by Yugo ?
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Originally posted by jan bruggeman:
maybe they would like to take on our big brother=viper.oh i know its a v10,ours horses are only v8s.horse snakes, they are a dime a dozen.maybe we could borrow lingenfelters prowler,then it would be v8 against v8,the horse snakes would'nt have a chance.

Someone always feels the need to compare apples to oranges or whatever. The topic was Mustang Cobra vs. Plymouth Prowler....

By the way, I happen to like the Prowler (and I'd probably own one if it weren't for that $50,000 and then some price tag), I just don't believe a STOCK Prowler can beat a STOCK Mustang Cobra....

And for those of the "juiced" Prowler persuasion, my Edelbrock kit is going on very soon....

Damn, another edit: I was in no way shape or form "dissing" anyone from here on ANY Mustang or SVT site. Just hadda make that lil' tidbit known.

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good one fred.i love it.when a prowler in the future,is worth 50 to 75 grand or more,and they will be,all those stangs will be in the bone yard worth zip.

Suprisingly, the Mustang Cobra seems to hold its value rather well.

Not as well as the Prowler though....

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posted 06-02-2004 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Usher     send a private message to Marty Usher   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Marty Usher
You know most everyone thinks their car is the best - that's why they own it & drive it. I can understand tooting your own horn but think the dissing gets old and reminds me of being back in high school. As I said before, respect for fast cars is given when you earn it - racing.

A lot of people bought their kats as cruisers and a lot of non prowler owners think of them that way. Some of us have chosen to modify ours to go faster for our own reasons.

A '41 Willys or a 68 Camaro or a 2004 Cobra for that matter didn't start out as 10 second cars - that doesn't mean they can't be turned into one. Same with my Prowler. One day it will run a 10 secomd 1/4 mile - hopefully in the next couple of years.

2003 Cobra - yes a stock Cobra will beat a stock Prowler. But I am really believe MOST street legal Cobras running on street tires no matter what upgrades they have done will have a tough time running stoplight to stoplight with a juiced Prowler. Our gearing, weight, large tires and even the lack of the same torque as your cars all are in out favor. Off the line, you will be spinning your tires or not using all your power to prevent the whell spin while our cars will jump off the line quicker. By the 1/8 mile mark your extra 2 cylinders and extra power will start to even out and it's a toss up depending on all the other fators who wins at the end of a 1/4 mile.

You Ford guys have a huge amount of trail & error and experience on what works and what doesn't over us. We only have 11,000 cars total produced and less than one percent are serious into major performance mods.

Tell your Cobra buddies to have their fun dissing whatever they want on your forum, but one day they will be side by side with my kat, or Fred, or Mike, or Laddie or Marc, or John or Dan or Dean or Butchee or.......someone else with a pumped up six cylinder and they won't be happy the outcome. - Then there's the Texas dude putting the Hemi in his Prowler. We don't all cruise all the time.


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This message has been edited by Marty Usher on 06-02-2004 at 10:24 PM

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I want to appologize to all on this site. I have posted a similar appology on two of the other three sites for which I orginally provided links. The one I did not post an appology on is the SVTPerformance site. I have no desire to revisit that site. The attitude presented by many there, in no way represents my view point or who I am as a person.

I want to first say thanks to all on this site who, in the face of what was dished in their direction, kept it clean, and, respectable. Each of you had every right to lash back with all the venum directed at you. Your restraint speaks volumes as to the character of your club. The vulgarity and hositility direct at you offended everyone's sensibilities, especially mine. Who could have known, by the end of just one day, there would have been such a huge reaction, and that the dialogue could have gone down as far as it did. By the time I got back on at the end of the day, it was just a bloody mess.

My sincere intention was to promote some good, clean, fun, spirited, rivalry between, not only different Mustang/Cobra clubs, but to also reach out to clubs of differing types of cars. I thought it would be fun to develope a relationship and promote good natured competition between other clubs in the Houston area. After all, it has to be more fun to "better" a different type of car than to simply out perform your own kind. Also, the other side of the hobby is to enjoy all the hard work we all put into our toys. I appreciate that in all types of cars. I am embarrased and ashamed that it did not turn out that way. I never imagined my attempt could have went so badly.

First I want to appologize to my friend "Kozican" here on this forum. I feel I embarrassed him in front of his piers for introducing me to his group. While I do not control what others say, non-the-less, it is embarrassing to have introduced all of you to the vulgarity and hostility I witnessed on SVTPerformance site. It was totally unexpected and I am embarrased to have directed people there. Still some of those responding on SVTP did keep it within the bounds of "all in good fun" and I thank them for that.

Secondly, I would like to appologize to all on this Prowler forum. As I said above, it was my intent to promote cross-club interaction, relationships and yes, even compitetion within the same hobby. While we drive different cars, the love of the hobby is the same. My sincerest appologies.

Specifically to "Prwlyn" and his wife Debe. I could read the tension between the lines, and I can easily imagine what you would have liked to say. Your restraint show your true character.

As for me, as I am sure many of you are, I am not a drag racer. I prefer the twisties. I also show the car frequently and enjoy "spirited" driving. The potential of my car in the quarter, considering my mods (cat back & K&N) is mid 12's. Prwlyn, it would be a good match up. That's not a challange.

Please, if it is at all possible, I hope we could start over and continue in the spirit that I originally intended. I believe it would be great fun to develope relationships across car club lines. Those who believe this is possible, I welcome and encourage you to continue in the spirit of fun. Those who "be hatin'", please move on down the road.

You are welcome anytime to login to the Texan-SVTOA.com site and present your views. I am a moderator and Activities Director there, and will make sure things stay family friendly, as is the policy of our site.

Again, my sincerest appologies for how everything turned out.

Cobra40.

Please PM me if you feel the need.

This message has been edited by Cobra40 on 06-03-2004 at 12:39 AM

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Cobra, I think you fit right in with this group. You seem like a decent guy to me. Hang around and enjoy the site. Most of us do not care that you know Kozican and we can forgive you. lol If you knew me or Alley Cat, then there would be a BIG problem.
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Cobra40,
Your above note speaks volumes as to your character and as far as I'm concerned this is a dead issue. I always try to keep in mind one thing in relation to racing, that is that anyone can beat anyone on any given day. There will always be that one that is faster than yourself.. We all do love to tell our stories and on the POA it is always done in good nature.. I have found this group of people to be as great as their car.. Thanks.

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Cobra -

Very "Stand up" comments!
You're OK by me. Your Cobra must be yellow.

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I have been following the Cobra vs. Prowler threads on several message boards and find it very entertaining reading, those of you getting your knickers in a twist are taking it way to seriously this is supposed to be fun at least that’s why I bought my cars. Here’s an idea why don’t we all meet at the track and settle it for good, stock vs. stock and mod vs. mod I am sure there will be a few stock vs. mod runs as well, the looser has to bow down in front of the winners car for a photo that I am sure will be posted on many discussion boards. I will let my car do the talking.

See ya at the track.

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Cobra 40 -
I was glad to read what you posted in response to the immature mess that resulted on the other boards. The folks here are a great group of people and are enjoying their friendships through a common interest - their cars. Many of us meet up at some of the local shows, and I can personally say, I have never seen the kind of reaction like those of the responses on those other boards.

To Mike and Judy and everyone on this board, thanks for not allowing this forum to turn into either one of those messes!

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Well in a few days we will see if any of them show up at the track!!!
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Cobra -

Very "Stand up" comments!
You're OK by me. Your Cobra must be yellow.


Actually, my wife wanted a yellow vert Cobra, but only could find an Ebony vert. I love the stealthiness of the black, but hate trying to keep it clean. We do however want the yellow prowler, and a vinyl yellow driving cap to match. LOL.

BTW, thanks for the supportive responses. You'll find the the people at the two sites, other than the individuals at the SVTP site, are great, family oriented people who love the hobby. It's all good.

This message has been edited by Cobra40 on 06-03-2004 at 08:58 AM

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Cobra - I hope you are able to arrange for some of the Mustang and Prowler folks who want to keep things in perspective and have some fun get together.

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Cobra 40 -
I was glad to read what you posted in response to the immature mess that resulted on the other boards. The folks here are a great group of people and are enjoying their friendships through a common interest - their cars. Many of us meet up at some of the local shows, and I can personally say, I have never seen the kind of reaction like those of the responses on those other boards.

To Mike and Judy and everyone on this board, thanks for not allowing this forum to turn into either one of those messes!


I understand the Mustang rivalry, but what's up with all the hate for us at ProwlerPro?
http://www.prowlerpro.com/prowlerboards/viewtopic.php?t=156 http://www.prowlerpro.com/prowlerboards/viewtopic.php?t=189

It looks lke the new mod is trying to restore civility, but most of the people there are just plain scary and angry all the time....with plenty of hate for POA members.

ProwlerPro might make some great products, but I would NEVER buy anything off that site with so much hostility towards the members of this site.

What a great way to conduct a business........Alienate potential clients!

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WOW

Do I love to be a part of the POA !!

I just wasted my time reading the thread on the SVTPerformance-crap-site - WOW - I wasted 15 min. of my life I will NEVER get back !!

That board must be the worst I've ever been to !!

Very "articulate" people which, on page 4 totally forget about their topic (Prowlers) and instead are going at each others throats !!

Just a "real classy, sophisticated" bunch that I am glad NOT to be a part of

gotta love the POA !!

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ProwlerPro might make some great products, but I would NEVER buy anything off that site with so much hostility towards the members of this site. What a great way to conduct a business........Alienate potential clients!

Amen to that BlackTie161 !!

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prowler newbie,it was all in good fun,no damage done.hopefully you are coming to the stampede next week.im sure we would all like to meet you.

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Regarding the prowlerpro.com forum:

The individual who posted the negative comments there use to post here on prowleronline.com and as of the last few weeks voluntarily quit posting on prowlerpro.com's forum also.

The idea of a performance based forum has some merits in my opinion. It seems to me if performance based suppliers and speed shops would participate a performance forum - whether here at prowleronline.com or over at prowlwerpro it could enhance their business. Everyone is certainly entitled to run their bsuiness as they see fit and most seem to want to limit the technical info they share for fear someone else will use their R&D data and take away what limited business the Prowler community has to offer. With such a small potential customer base, I guess I can see why those thoughts may occur.

Dean at Prowlerpro offers some very good performance products - gears - headers - intakes, etc. He has not been real active on his own forum.

Prowleronline.com and POA will always be the home of the best car club and car forum out there.

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Originally posted by Black Tie 161:
I understand the Mustang rivalry, but what's up with all the hate for us at ProwlerPro?
http://www.prowlerpro.com/prowlerboards/viewtopic.php?t=156 http://www.prowlerpro.com/prowlerboards/viewtopic.php?t=189

It looks lke the new mod is trying to restore civility, but most of the people there are just plain scary and angry all the time....with plenty of hate for POA members.

ProwlerPro might make some great products, but I would NEVER buy anything off that site with so much hostility towards the members of this site.

What a great way to conduct a business........Alienate potential clients!


I agree. I don't understand the hostility either. Someone suggested that until the '03 came out, Cobra's were a bit underpowered compared to the LS1 SS Cameros and received a lot of bashing. Now that the Cobra is SC'ed and with mere bolt-ons can get upwards of 600+ rwHP, and the stock lower end and interals can handle upward of 1000+ rwhp, all the frustration is being spewed out by some. This is my first "Cobra" so I had not experienced the previous versions, but compared to the '03/'04 SC snakes, I can see where there would be some frustration with the earlier models. But that is no excuss. I do not plan on returning to that site. However, lets forget about and get on with the fun.

As Marty Usher wrote:
"Cobra - I hope you are able to arrange for some of the Mustang and Prowler folks who want to keep things in perspective and have some fun get together.
Marty"

Since the '03 Cobra is no longer concerned with the Camero, and from the big talk here, it sounds like the prowler is the one to beat. Maybe a friendly meet & greet at the track is worth the time. I'll check if there is any interest.

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quote:
Originally posted by jan bruggeman:
prowler newbie,it was all in good fun,no damage done.hopefully you are coming to the stampede next week.im sure we would all like to meet you.



There is something sinester in you voice...ya'll aren't goint to beat me up?

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Cobra40 - some of us all over the whole episode already. We're on to more important things like trying try to decide what kind of beer to order for the parking lot party next week!

I don't think you will be in any danger and need any body armour!

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