posted 04-17-2003 09:28 PM                  

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Originally posted by CJ:
Marty.........don't worry, Norm hasn't lost anything yet!

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CJ - If they take now, it doesn't run!! There is a mighty powerful AMC engine sitting there however.though

posted 04-17-2003 10:06 PM                  

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There is a mighty powerful AMC engine sitting there however

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posted 04-18-2003 09:45 AM                    

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Originally posted by Todd Cameron:
Bob, that really sucks!!!!!! At least your Dad has insurance though, and, at least the dealer will be held responsible by the insurance carrier. US customs are extremely tight in any type of vehicle being transported. I highly doubt the Kat has been shipped over seas. I'd say someone put an order in for one for parts from one of the local car rings and is keeping the Kat for themselves for the parts (most likely).

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Todd,

Not sure how they get around it but hundreds of cars and trucks (mostly SUV's) stolen end up in places like Belieze and South America from cargo containers. There are not enough US Custom agents to check the hundreds of thousands of containers (same with Border patrol in states near Mexico as they walk/swim/stroll across the borders daily in the hundreds)

It can and is being done. They may catch a few but, like drugs coming in here, if there is a great demand, they will find ways to get it there.

My mom's neighbor is a doctor in Mexico city and has a Summer villa here. A new $50K Lincoln Navigator here costs $100K in Mexico. That is a pretty good incentive to steal one and ship it there.

posted 04-18-2003 10:31 AM                  

DO NOT let this go against Dad's insurance - time to get out the yellow pages and contact a local attorney. Dealer should be liable for the car, loss of use, contents, and anything else you can think of.

posted 04-18-2003 12:07 PM                    

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Originally posted by Dead End Don:
WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Under California law, when you leave your vehicle and the keys with someone for safekeeping, a legal relationship called a "bailment" is created. That person (the dealership) is primarily responsible for safekeeping, and are liable for any loss resulting from their carelessness.

DO NOT let this go against Dad's insurance - time to get out the yellow pages and contact a local attorney. Dealer should be liable for the car, loss of use, contents, and anything else you can think of.

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If it were their fault, yes. But, they didn't steal it.

Most places (perhaps different in California) state they are "Not responsible for theft or damage". While I think this is implied for loose change or a Cd or two you left in your car, it could be used here (wording too vague)

posted 04-18-2003 01:33 PM                  

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Originally posted by YellowFever:
If it were their fault, yes. But, they didn't steal it.

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posted 04-18-2003 02:10 PM                    

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Originally posted by TFischer:
No - but it was in their care and custody when stolen. I'm sure the dealership has a "blanket" liability policy for this type of hazard - most do.

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I'd hope that were the case but, alot of dealers may just point out the fact they are not responsible for theft or damage (as per the sign hanging somewhere there).

A few years ago, I found one dealer was letting (or ignoring the fact) that employees were using customer cars for their lunches. They weren't driving them anywhere but, firing up the engine, using the A/C, turning up the stereo, and eatting lunch in there.

They finally got caught by leaving McDonald wrappers in the cars and the radios set to non-English stations.

Now you'd think the dealer would notice that several of the shop guys were sitting in a customer car for 1 hour and not moving the car anywhere or doing anything with it other then just sit there with motor running. I just don't know.

posted 04-18-2003 02:48 PM                  

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Originally posted by BeWare:
Seems to me I have heard from several consumer counseling sources that the state law is binding. By hanging a sign stating they are not responsible for thefts etc. may have no real legality, if the local law says they are. I have heard this is a ploy often used to avoid getting hassled and/or sued. I would check the state and local laws before I would take a sign (which anyone can put up) to be factual.

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posted 04-18-2003 02:55 PM                    

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Originally posted by TFischer:
Rich is absolutely correct - they can post all they want - that doesn't mean it is binding. YF - that usually means not responsible for anything stolen from not actually stealing the vehicle. Bob's Dad should have no problem going after the dealership.

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Right! I agree but, like I said it's too vague and "could" imply it also meant the car.

Hopefully, he'll have recourse and the dealer will do what is right (not necessarily what he has to).

posted 04-18-2003 03:12 PM                  

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Originally posted by Marty Usher:
Bob - can you post a picture or list the special pieces that were on the car syuch as side panels, etc? If you Dad can't get his kat back in one piece, it would nice for POA folks to be on the lookout for parts and catch these bozos.

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