posted 11-18-2001 10:54 PM                  

Great comment Mike G

posted 11-18-2001 10:56 PM                  

Nah, never mind, you see, I remember, and knew more than some people realize.

And I never forget.

posted 11-19-2001 10:11 AM                  

ALL that has happened is someone commented about the size of the banners affecting page loads, and in my experience that concern has merit...especially when the thread gets long!

In response, ALL that was done by Mike (and myself) was to make the DEFAULT for showing sigs set as no. Basically what that does is puts the POWER in YOUR(the users) hands, does it not?

YOU(the users) know that there are some of your "friends" who have issues with too many banners.

YOU(the users) know if a thread *might* already have a bunch of banners in it.

YOU(the users) now have the ability to control that, or pitch in and help make everyone happy. (funny thing is...that was possible before if the a user UNCHECKED the box).

This is just a matter of everyone finding middle ground....but as soon as someone feels like "the fun is gone"...?????

I remember way back when....GaryC asked me to remove his Avatar because he was concerned about the page loading for others on dial-ups, etc. All this time I thought THAT was what this board was all about.

I have no clue what Dan is doing....but the only thing different here is:

Now you(the user) have to consciously check the box if you want to show your sig (which, by the way, is how the board comes "stock").

AND

When you(the user) do include your sig you are kindly asked to keep things like page loading, how many banners are in the thread, how long is the thread.....

The power is yours....so what has changed? Nothing. Nothing HERE had anything to do with anything Dan is doing...because NOBODY said NO BANNERS. A conversation ensued...and at some point people started picking up their balls and going home.

That is my 2 cents. Any Admin/Mod who disagrees (read that as Mike) is free to edit/delete...but I fail to understand all the emotions and anger.

(sig omitted)

PS You know what is sad to me? Almost every time there has been a request FROM the userbase...it has been met. Not always with lightning speed...but it gets done.

posted 11-19-2001 10:24 AM                  

Thanks Tony for your reply, but your quote above is my issue. It was already posible to disable one's banner if one wanted to do so.

I'm done, (I think) on the topic. There is more to this than just banners, IMO. I'm quite sure of that.

posted 11-19-2001 10:39 AM                  

I have NO IDEA about "other issues"!

Having seen your point, I hope that you can see mine when I say that MANY, MANY times people might WANT to uncheck the box...but forget before they post. This way just fails on the (I hate to say this ) conservative side.

In the end...nothing has really changed. Like I said above...users ask for something or voice a concern and we take action. Mike said above that we were just going to try this...see if it made a difference. Shoot, I've added features to this board when I was asked by ONE person...and that was never an issue of "a few having control" or however you phrased it.

SIDE NOTE: I appreciate your reply JD...seriously! When I saw there was already a reply after mine I feared the worst!! I did not want to offend ANYONE!! I am striving to make it known that nothing has changed....we're just trying something different!

Case-in-point: Everyone likes the link the the latest reply, right? How many people remember when that was FIRST implemented???? This is actually the SECOND time I have added that!!!! Constantly trying new things as the site grows....experimenting with sigs is just part of that. Again...NOBODY said "NO BANNERS".

posted 11-19-2001 10:53 AM                  

This way just fails on the (I hate to say this ) conservative side.

I'm not conservative.

I am truly sorry you feel the way you do. I am always here to help...accept ideas for middle ground...anything!

I'd say put it back the way it was, but I feel the damage is already done what with Dan pulling the banners.

I say again, it's just a friggin shame. And these words are mild compared to what I really want to say. Some people,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Tony, I know you and Mike are always here to help. Trust me when I say that. Your hard work is much appreciated by me. I hope this comes to a good conclusion.

posted 11-19-2001 11:37 AM                  

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Originally posted by dpena:

I would like to know of those reading this post, how many have this concern as Pirana and Larry Lord have?? They seem to be the brave souls to stand up and speak!!

Later...

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Dan and to all of those concerned:

I read the above and took it as a question, asking for opinions, which I gave mine. If I misunderstood that line, I apologize for giving just my personal opinion which was NOT a NEGATIVE AGAINST the use of banners. I have sat on, slept on, and have had this situation bothering me for 15 hours now - and if I'm one of those considered to be a "control freak", I want to be called out and named directly and state what I said to deserve this slander for giving my opinion. PLEASE CONTINUE TO READ MY NEXT POST, Thank you,,,,,,,,

posted 11-19-2001 11:51 AM                  

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Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:

I also agree with Wildcat, change to insert banner as opposed to delete banner in your post. This should cut down the number of banners inserted, when not needed. I enjoy viewing the banners, appreciate the work Dan and others do in making them, and feel it gives the associates and new owners a personification of who we are and represent in our Prowlers.

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To Dan and all those concerned:

My quote backs the use of banners in thread posts. I gave an opinion as to how many are needed/repeated in a thread, this is just MY opinion and was not to be taken as offensive towards Dan or any other person using their banners. I personally feel that I'm wearing a Target t-shirt on this topic, and would like the air cleared as soon as possible. I've always considered this a free speech website for everyone, not just a few. If I'm considered a control freak, I'll take that to heart and refrain from posting here again. You tell me.............................prowlertime@aol.com

posted 11-19-2001 12:20 PM                  

If I'm considered a control freak, I'll take that to heart and refrain from posting here again. You tell me.............................prowlertime@aol.com

As you said, this is a free site, and one can express their opinion. I'm not sure if you were refereing to me in the above posts or not, but I do have opinions, and I express them. Your telling me you would quit posting because of what someone says??? Really????

When I spoke with Dan about this, he advised me not to say anything. I'm not like that. I saw what i feel is a wrong being done to a friend of mine. Now, if that is being protective, sue me. But the results of this thread have shown what can happen.

posted 11-19-2001 02:55 PM                  

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posted 11-19-2001 10:51 PM                  

In no way or form was I upset at any banner. I love to see them pop-up. I have never asked for one, because I know how involve it is to make them. And I never wanted anything for free(and could not afford it anyways).

Keep on posting...