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thomas leuschner

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posted 12-01-2007 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thomas leuschner     send a private message to thomas leuschner   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by thomas leuschner
How can I remove the CHROME deck lid protector from my trunk lid without ruining the paint?
I am not getting a good feeling about this operation.
I would like to replace it with the clear 3M product.
Tom
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posted 12-01-2007 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kraut     send a private message to Kraut   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Kraut
If it was done right, it was installed using only water. As a result, it is not bonded and should lift right off. I haven't tried this myself, since I want to leave it in place.
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posted 12-01-2007 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thomas leuschner     send a private message to thomas leuschner   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by thomas leuschner
I used Ivory soap and water.
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posted 12-01-2007 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GRROWL     send a private message to GRROWL   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by GRROWL
quote:
Originally posted by Kraut:
it was installed using only water.

True, but that's probably not the whole story.

If the adhesive is the same as the 3M reflective films that I'm familiar with, the adhesive coating contains millions of encapsulated adhesive "beads". The soapy water is used for easy positioning, but when it is squeegeed, the beads break and release the adhesive. The adhesive strength may vary from "Post-It Note" to permanent, but I believe that you'll find it's more than the vacuum created by squeezing out the water.

-GRROWL

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posted 12-01-2007 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pantera     send a private message to Pantera   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Pantera
You can also heat the protector up with a hair dryer...It will make the glue release easier....I do NOT recommend using a heat gun...Too easy to damage paint...

Once you get it off...WD-40 works pretty good at removing the adhesive residue.

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posted 12-01-2007 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kraut     send a private message to Kraut   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Kraut
Interesting. I didn't think there was any adhesive involved. Let us know how difficult it is to get it off.
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posted 12-01-2007 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thomas leuschner     send a private message to thomas leuschner   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by thomas leuschner
The trunk protector I used was purchased from a person on this site about 4 years ago I cannot recall his name.He made them. The quality of the plece was superb so I guess so was the glue.
I think I have a problem on my hands.
Thanks all for the tips
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for more info on vinyl graphics installation than you ever wanted to know, go to:
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?66666UuZjcFSLXTtlXT6MxMXEVuQEcuZgVs6EVs6E666666--

(this is one of about 50 technical bulletins)

The key sentence is,

"The 3M recommended films are available with pressure-activated adhesive that is slideable,
positionable and repositionable until film application pressure is applied."

-GRROWL

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posted 12-01-2007 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thomas leuschner     send a private message to thomas leuschner   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by thomas leuschner
Grrowl.
I went to the 3M site and found the removal procedure. It looks like I wont be able to do this myself.
Reads like I need a plan B ( Professional help ). Many thanks guys.
Tom
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tom, that decal is so easy to remove you wont believe it.as stated above use a hair dryer to get hot.heat about 12 inches or so of decal starting at one side.when material is hot start peeling up and continue.you want it hot,but not super hot.you can tell when you have it the correct temp,because it will come off pretty easy.if you get it the correct temp the adhesive will stay on the decal side when removing it.usually if not hot enough the adhesive will stay on the paint instead.i have no idea what companys material was used in the manufacture of these decals.all decals have some form of adhesive to hold them to the surface.

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Read this thread for removal process from the manufacturer.
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000623.html
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quote:
Originally posted by thomas leuschner:
Grrowl.
I went to the 3M site and found the removal procedure. It looks like I wont be able to do this myself.
Reads like I need a plan B ( Professional help ). Many thanks guys.
Tom

I doubt that the material used for the deck lid protectors is the strongest/permanent type, it should be more of a light/intermediate (but there's definitely some adhesive). Try the heat as recommended (not too much), and the 3M site says that the remainder should be removeable with mineral spirits (make sure you protect ("wax") when done).

-GRROWL

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posted 12-02-2007 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
3M makes a adhesive remover,,,,sold in a red can,,,at NAPA, Carquest, and other fine auto parts/auto paint supply stores.
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Laugh all you want....
but I had some VERY expensive Boats with 3m Vinyl lettering on them, And we used " Easy Off Oven Cleaner" on them -took them right off.
After they came off we always used "Goo Gone".. great product sold at all Major hardware chains.
Mike
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Blackcat hit the nail on the head, this is the brand decal I bought in chrome. Now I recall it saying the chrome was more permanent.

The reason I want to remove the one I have is to replace it with the bigger decal for the hardtop.

Does anyone know if Paul is still around? His chrome decal was top shelf.

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quote:
Originally posted by thomas leuschner:
The reason I want to remove the one I have is to replace it with the bigger decal for the hardtop.

First, I see you're in E. Islip - hi, I grew up in North Babylon.

Second, it's not that hard to do it yourself - full instructions over at:
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/001065.html

quote:
Originally posted by GRROWL:
Look what 5' of vinyl and an X-Acto knife can do:

It continues the black-on-yellow theme:

To answer the question of how much larger the hardtop is compared to the softtop: 2-3/4":

GRROWL's new logo:

Not all that difficult, but it did take two tries to work out the procedure. I'd be happy to answer any questions if anyone else is interested.

-GRROWL


Third, if you're doing this for protection from the hardtop, it doesn't provide as much benefit as I originally thought:

The soft-top uses a gasket that has contact surfaces on the paint like knife edges - yes, I would strongly recommend decklid protectors to everyone for the soft-top. However, the hardtop has a soft, round gasket where it makes contact. With over 4 years using the hardtop decklid protector, the soft-top has cut deeply into the vinyl. There is no indication whatsoever of a hardtop ever contacting the vinyl. I would take pictures except for two reasons:

1. The hardtop is on for the winter.
2. The car is being stored in a friend's garage until the new home for GRROWL/Sparky is built.

-GRROWL

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GRROWL, THE PROTECTOR LOOKS GREAT, I'M ALWAYS AMAZED AT WHAT WE CAN DO IF WE JUST TRY. BOB, GOATFALLS
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Grrowl
Point well taken on the hardtop rubber. Never looked at it
in that way.
Tom
PS. Nice protector.
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posted 12-02-2007 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
If there is a little grit on the rubber gasket and if it moves slightly it will leave a mark. I don't wipe off the gasket every time I put the hardtop on the car. Dirt can also get on the gasket as you drive, I am sure.
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Would stock dirt be ok?
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do not buy and use the 3m decal remover,iv'e tried the stuff.makes a real mess you wont believe, and doesn't work worth a crap.always use heat and you'll have a much cleaner job.3m makes a multitude of great products,but not the decal remover.

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