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Jack Lietzke Prowler Enthusiast From:Toledo, Ohio USA |
posted 05-11-2005 08:39 PM
I thought I would notify Prowler owners of a situation I have with GT Factory, maker of a great product (Diablo Hinges). I purchased a kit of hinges for my Prowler from them for $ 999. plus freight. After receiving the kit I went to my installer, who runs a excellent body shop. He showed me the cowl area where we have to weld plates to hold the ss hinges, etc. This material is painted the color of the car and .0937 thick metal and the idea of welding on it is not advisable. I use my car a lot and they advised the existing steel would eventually fail because I probably would open the driver door alone at least 300 times a year. I questioned their response, so I took it to another body shop and they also advised me not to weld on the existing structure. I contacted Dan at GT Factory and told him of my situation and he did not agree with my findings, but said if I sent them back he would refund my money because he stated he had people standing in line to purchase them (returned 60 days ago).I am in legal actions now. I am going to notfy BBB and a Cailf. TV station to advise the public about this supplier..The Hinges are fine for other cars, but I would not recommend them for a Prowler. |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 05-11-2005 08:41 PM
I bought a set, decided not to put them on, and sent them back. It took one phone extra call, but I got my money back. Hope your situation turns out ok. |
Jack Lietzke Prowler Enthusiast From:Toledo, Ohio USA |
posted 05-11-2005 08:50 PM
Thanks, I did call them, but put I hold so long I hung up, what do you think, I registered letter ???? |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 05-11-2005 10:40 PM
I personally think a phone call would work. Sometimes the head guy is not there. I forget his name, but I would ask who answers, and go for him. He seemed pretty reasonable to me. Good luck |
RBADKAT POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Green Valley, Arizona, USA |
posted 05-12-2005 02:27 AM
Jack, to bad about the experience that you are currently having with GT. The name of the owner is "Dan". Why don't you send me a email and I will provide you with his cell and home phone number. In my dealing with him I was quite satisfied with his product and Installation work performed.(I had his shop do the install) I can assure you that my doors have been opened more than 300 times and I have not had any problems. Good luck in getting you specific problem resolved. Look like I am going to have to keep a count of the number of times I open my doors. Got my fingers crossed that your body shop guys are wrong... Sure wont be a pleasant feeling if the doors falloff. Dan G.
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Kevin A POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Gahanna, Ohio |
posted 05-12-2005 08:24 AM
I'll chime in here as I'm a degreed Welding Engineer from The Ohio State University, and a licensed Professional Engineer in Ohio in welding. I have not done any particular analysis on what alloy our cowl area is made of, but if it is as thick as you say (0.094") that is pretty beefy in the auto world. The load from the relatively light door should not cause any problem if they weld with due care to minimize heat input. The failure your body guy is saying may happen sounds like a fatigue failure from may open/close cycles. Unless you are giving a real strong twist when you do this action, you should not fatigue anything. And honestly, in my years since graduation, I have heard so many "experts" say this and that with no technical basis, I almost immediately ignore comments like the body guy is saying. The hinge should weaken the cowl no more than any welding at the factory did (assuming they weld properly). These guys weld quarter panels and actual structural parts to cars all day with few if any failures down the road. Could it be these guys don't want to take on the "exotic" work like Lambo hinges on a Prowler? |
Jack Lietzke Prowler Enthusiast From:Toledo, Ohio USA |
posted 05-12-2005 11:45 AM
Thanks for the response , I appreciate the comments...I am going to find out if the actual material of the cowl is .094 and check with the local Chrysler body shop to see if Chrysler has a comment on this type of installation. The reasoning was fatigue of the metal at the welded points. I really do like the concept of the doors, and really would like to install them, but I do not want to affect the integrity of this beautiful automobile by having door misalignment etc. Thanks again guys |
Rpowell593 unregistered Admin Use |
posted 05-12-2005 12:17 PM
Hey - I recently bought the GT kit, and it's sitting here in my garage. I plan to get the doors installed within the next month. My communication with Dan @ GT was with the use on the Prowler, to which I was informed that they fabricated a piece to bolt onto the prowler door. As welding isn't a great idea on it, and of course to take it back to stock easily if so desired. I can provide photos that Dan sent me if any are interested. Randy |
Kevin A POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Gahanna, Ohio |
posted 05-12-2005 01:04 PM
I've been thinking of the GT kit too but have been reluctant since it is permanently welded to the car. If there is a way to bolt these on and return it to stock if needed, I'm really interested. Pictures please! |
pumpkin POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Visit Waleke's World Personal ScrapBook From:Las Cruces, NM, USA |
posted 05-12-2005 01:11 PM
If no welding or painting is involed, I too would be interested. |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 05-12-2005 01:21 PM
I was very close to putting my set on. And they would have been bolted, so it can be done. But I talked to few guys who had these doors. After doing so I decided against it. Was not the right look for my Prowler. |
Kevin A POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Gahanna, Ohio |
posted 05-12-2005 01:31 PM
quote: What did you hear that made you change your mind? |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 05-12-2005 03:12 PM
I should not have posted that. It was a aesthetic decision. That. and I got the drift from people I talked to thought it would be kind of a hassle to get in and out frequently. Although it did look cool to them, practicality came into focus. But to each their own. After I thought about a while I decided against it as my feelings were it pushed the car into the class of rice burners/compact look. I want mine to look classic, hot roddish if you get my drift. These doors are a fad IMO, next thing would 20 inch woofers in the trunk, and I do not want to go that way. I know of no mechanical problems that have them not work correctly. |
Rpowell593 unregistered Personal ScrapBook Admin Use |
posted 05-12-2005 03:51 PM
I will have mine installed within the next 30 days, and will be glad to post pics. Bolt-on for sure is the proper method that was explained to me. |
superdoppler Prowler Junkie From:Jacksonville, FL USA |
posted 05-12-2005 04:08 PM
quote: I'd definitely like to see the pictures if it isn't too much trouble. Thanks. |
BeWare POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Acworth , Georgia , USA |
posted 05-12-2005 04:31 PM
quote: From the pictures I had seen I had always thought it looked like it would be more difficult to get in and out of a Prowler with the Lambo style doors. Especially with the top up. If I were to change the doors I would go to suicide style . However after seeing George Maxeys Cat in person while they look extremely cool, it also looked like it would be more difficult to get in and out of the Prowler. |
Kevin A POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Gahanna, Ohio |
posted 05-12-2005 06:59 PM
From an email from Dan at GT: There has always been bolt on kits from other companies for the prowler. Yes they have limited strength and range of motion. |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 05-12-2005 08:11 PM
Interesting, I was lead to believe it was all bolt on. |
Rpowell593 unregistered Personal ScrapBook Admin Use |
posted 05-12-2005 08:44 PM
I think to the Door - it is 100% bolt on. I think what he's saying is that what would ordinarily weld to the door is instead welded to a fabricated bracket - and that bracket is bolted to the door. Attached are pictures from Dan with the fabricated piece in question: The bracket on the bottom is the fabricated piece to weld to the kit and bolt to the car. |
Jack Lietzke Prowler Enthusiast From:Toledo, Ohio USA |
posted 05-12-2005 09:08 PM
As mentioned in my original posting, the welding of the plate on the existing prowler panel for the ss steel hinges to be bolted to is the concern. I also am an engineer and when I took my Hi-Pressure Boiler test, which included strength and materials, pre-heating and post-heating was very necessary, on thin metals especially, and is required to lessen the stress to the metals involved. I received the info from Dan, an a instructional CD. I believe the product furnished by GT Factory is excellent, but I do not want to install them on my Prowler, that is why I returned them for a refund, which I still have not received. Dan G I hope you never have problems...everyone has to make their own decision on this matter...Again, I appreciate the comments and opinions. |
Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 05-12-2005 10:42 PM
For those that like the look I hope you find a supplier/kit you are happy with. For my retro look I, personally am holding out until I can justfy spending the $$$ for suicide doors. |
xpguy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Carlsbad, CA |
posted 05-12-2005 10:45 PM
Lambo doors are great when you have to get out of tight parking spots. |
RBADKAT POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Green Valley, Arizona, USA |
posted 05-13-2005 01:50 AM
As Kevina posted in regards to GT's email: I can personally attest to what was written by Dan from GT: If you want to go back to stock then remove hinge from Cowl and unbolt door and reinstall stock hinges. You can't see where the hinge was once welded to so .. JD, that's the beauty of our cars, we all have feelings/ opinions on what we want to do to them, one day it's the number one mod that you want to do, the next day its not a mod you want but a "Rice Burner" mod. WOW.... (RProwell) Randy, looks like you got in touch with Dan to see the special plate that he made for my car. He now makes that for all Prowlers and is another tribute to his making sure that his product is the best. Looking forward to seeing the results of your install. |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 05-13-2005 09:22 AM
Ouch, I always thought I was a pretty good source. As I said, to each his own. There are a lot of things I have seen on Kats I would never do to my car. I think mine is turning out ok. Guess I should'nt have posted it, I'll try to be more politically correct next time. Last I heard it was legal to change once's mind. |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 05-14-2005 03:29 PM
But I should not have said anything to judge anyone's car, mods, or anything of that nature. It's not my place, and I apologize. Sometimes I am not to eloquent with my words. Will try to do better. |
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