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MONC
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Looking at Prowlers to possibly buy recently, and after some research, read that there were some suspension and other upgrades over the model years.

I know bigger engine came after 97 so, given your experience, what model year would you recommend looking for?
Thanks for the reply

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Personally I feel my 99 model is fine. Suspension is Koni, rear links don’t give up the ghost. Do I need extra info in the mirror? I have upgraded the shifter surround to the later chrome one.
I would put it down to colour in the end.

This message has been edited by Dave Haggas on 07-09-2020 at 04:36 PM

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I agree with Dave.
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99s had some changes during their run, so not all 99s are the same.

They started with the silver wheels but later chrome was offered, so not all 99s have the same wheels.

The hood prop rod was switched to gas struts partway through 99.

The 99 shifter bezel was the same as the Dodge Intrepid; they switched to a chrome bezel in 2000 but as Dave noted some have been swapped by previous owners.

99 rearview mirrors don't yet have the digital display that was added in 2000 which has the outside temp and compass (which I use a lot).

99 radio does not have the speed-sensitive volume control added in 2000.

There were some improvements in the suspension in 2000, and the runflats were supposedly improved but in my opinion were still horribly rough, not to mention way too old so should get newer tires if it doesn't already have them.

Koni shocks were standard in 99 and 2000, in 2001 they changed to a different model which is prone to leaks.

If it matters to you to have a Plymouth, they switched to Chrysler partway through the 2001 model year (early calendar year 2001).

99s came in purple, black, yellow and red. In 2000, purple was dropped, silver and Woodward (red/black two-tone) were added.

Mine is a 2000, which is the specific year I was looking for due to some of the improvements I noted above. And I wanted a Plymouth. I know there's no real difference, I just liked the original name.

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Lot of cars for sale right now, some with some very nice mods and reasonable priced IMO

Pick the color you like best

Get one well maintained, so miles are ok on them

They are all 19-23 years old, so on the all aluminum 99 & up should have had the timeing belt changed due to it being an interference engine.... the 97 is a non interference.

Ball joint recall will have an X at the end of the part number on the joint, would guess most all have been changed by now.

Steve Clark has nice Muholland with some mods

Seen a couple yellows, orange, purple red all in the last week. Some with matching trailer

So with budget in mine, color of choice and a plane ticket you can have the car of your dreams

There are owners everywhere, so if you cannot see it personally ask if someone could check it out for you...... I have checked out cars for people I didn't know

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Condition of the car is the number one priority.
If you find a low mileage Prowler that has the original tires and the original timing belt you may as well plan on spending hundreds of dollars to bring the car up to date.
The Prowler in it's stock form rides rough, Larry Lord's Wonder Bar really helps the ride.
Do you want a car with Lambo doors, it's a cheap option if they are already installed. Some like the doors, other don't. Take your time to find the perfect Prowler for you and good luck and welcome to the POA.
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I have owned two 99s, and now own an '01, '02 and a '97. I don't see much difference in the performance from one to another. Some of the "upgrades" really aren't worth much TO ME but may be a big deal to others. I wasn't impressed with the info in the mirror until I bought the '97 and no longer had it. Then it became a little more important.
The '97 actually has several advantages. The conv. top is better quality, for sure. If you break the timing belt, you don't fry the engine, and that is huge. I think it performs just as well as the others but I don't have any proof of that. I just don't feel that much of a difference. It has the good shocks. It does not have chrome wheels. That can be taken as a plus or a minus. the Chrome ones look great when they look great and look horrible when they don't. The paint ones don't have any of the problems of the chrome ones. The center caps don't seem to break either. Dick has only repaired one or two out of the 800-1000 that he has upgraded.
I bought all of mine for the color. Some of the garage queens will have more problems than the 50,000 mile drivers.
Prices are pretty low right now, in my opinion.
Flying somewhere to drive it home is a very memorable experience, if you have the time to do it. Good luck with the search and like Wildcat said, ask if anyone can go check it out for you. I have looked at a couple that were really rough, especially on car lots.

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Some have already mentioned this in a round about way. I personally would stay away from any car with extremely low miles. Lack of use is bad for the car. JMO. I think that the cars should be driven no less than 500 miles per year. Preferably more. Some people will disagree I am sure.
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Thanks so much for all the replies, a wealth of information. Some follow up questions :

What rear link issues are there, are they relatively inexpensive and not labor intensive to fix ?

Is the speed sensitive switch on the radio effective?

Sounds like run flats are out, any issues when replacing with newer tires ( ie. TPMS issues etc. )?
What new tires would you guys recommend for best handling/ride/clearance?

Anyone have a pic of the X on the balljoint that would need replacement? Can it be seen without taking tire off?

I prefer the chrome wheels but figure I can change out if I find the right car.

No biggie on the rear view mirror, but not a fan of the auto-dim , would prefer old school style, with the flip to night mode.

Prefer Plymouth, but not deal breaker if I find right car

I like the Prowler Purple and Mulholland blue.
Is there a metallic orange?

I like Steve's blue one with the Howler package , just out of my price range at the moment.

Don't think I would be using a trailer (yet), but I do like the hard top. How many different hard tops are out there? Are there some to avoid?

Trying to find local owners in my area, I PMd one , am awaiting a reply. Is there a way to search site for owners by state or city?

I just found one about 2 hrs from me for sale, am hoping to check it out this weekend.

Another I found I really like, however, it is one the west coast and cannot fly out there, and the owner is hesitant to have a stranger come to her house, especially during a pandemic. She has been very helpful in answering questions, and taking what pictures she can, but still can't get a feel for the car just with pics. Figure I could make an offer reflecting any work I would have to put into it.


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The speed sensitive volume does work. The car is like a motorcycle, you have more noise the faster you travel. You don't want your music too loud while you are at a stoplight. Harley Davidson radios have the same feature built-in.
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I have a red 2000, and have had all the maintenance done including timing belt etc. I even had the Technical Service Bulletin done to reduce chattering sound when cold. No problems at all with the car.Good Luck and welcome to the Prowler Family!!!
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When I bought mine this past January, I found one for sale locally and I wanted to see if I could fit in it (I'm 6'4"). It was at a small used car dealership on consignment, so I took it for a long test ride. That is when I knew I wanted a Prowler. I used Searchtempest to search all craigslist in the U.S. and Autotrader, CarGurus, to find out what the going price should be. I made an offer that I would pay for this one, and I was surprised the owner accepted without a counter-offer. I was planning on flying anywhere in the U.S. to find one, and it turned out that I found it locally. Do your homework to find what you should pay for one. Any offer you make to an owner is better than no offer. Some will be highly offended, but it is YOUR MONEY you are spending. Good luck and be patient.
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What is your price range? If Steve's is out of your price range, it will be harder to find a low mileage one, but they are out there. If your not in a hurry prices are usually down in the winter and with the virus some people are out of work and willing to sell cheaper. Purple is 97 & 99 only. Blue is 2001 and only Chrysler. Orange is 2001 can be Plymouth or Chrysler. X on ball joint means already replaced. You can see X with mirror, if chrome wheels you can see in reflection on wheels. Hard tops are usually 3-4000 extra as the same for trailers. Good luck!

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Some follow up questions :
What rear link issues are there, are they relatively inexpensive and not labor intensive to fix ?

Rear link issues is not a big deal. Like all rubber components they are prone to cracking. Replace them with Control Freak lateral links. This is a do it yourself job in 30 minutes. You should do a 4 wheel laser alignment after replacing them though to make sure your handling is spot on and you don't ruin your tires.
https://www.freakride.com/product/prowler-rear-upper-lateral-link-set/

Replace your front laterals with a Spoons (Brian Richardson) set. They last a lifetime.

Front shocks should not be a deal breaker. If not already swapped for Koni's on your new ride, get a set(shock and spring) Koni's from Larry Lord. Easy do it yourself install.

Is the speed sensitive switch on the radio effective?

Yes it is. But it is useless when you drive fast enough with the top down.

Sounds like run flats are out, any issues when replacing with newer tires ( ie. TPMS issues etc. )?
What new tires would you guys recommend for best handling/ride/clearance?

Not a problem fitting non run flats. You can use Nitto's or Pirell P Zero's. Handling is similar as stock but it does increase your ride comfort substantially

Anyone have a pic of the X on the balljoint that would need replacement? Can it be seen without taking tire off?

Go to this link: http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003968.html

I prefer the chrome wheels but figure I can change out if I find the right car.

Yes you can do that. However not recommended. I have to warn you that the chrome fronts (17") are very difficult to get and if you are lucky to find a set fronts (in good shape without pitting) it will cost you a small fortune. Rears a little less difficult but still, a full set of chromes will set you back $$$$$ if you cannot get them second hand from a member.

No biggie on the rear view mirror, but not a fan of the auto-dim , would prefer old school style, with the flip to night mode.

Prefer Plymouth, but not deal breaker if I find right car


I like the Prowler Purple and Mulholland blue.
Is there a metallic orange?

Yes there is an orange and my favorite colour. Burned Orange. One year only as Plymouth or Chrysler in 2001.

I like Steve's blue one with the Howler package , just out of my price range at the moment.

Don't think I would be using a trailer (yet), but I do like the hard top. How many different hard tops are out there? Are there some to avoid?

Just 2 types of hardtops Metalcrafters Gen 1 and 2. Get your hands on model 2 thats the best. Do not buy one of the Prowler Store. Members have negative experiences with those.
Visit this link for details: http://prowlercar.com/gallery/hardtop/gen-1-and-gen-2-hardtops/

Trying to find local owners in my area, I PMd one , am awaiting a reply. Is there a way to search site for owners by state or city?

Yes, go to the owners registry:http://www.prowleronline.com/ownreg/listprowler.php

I just found one about 2 hrs from me for sale, am hoping to check it out this weekend.

Another I found I really like, however, it is one the west coast and cannot fly out there, and the owner is hesitant to have a stranger come to her house, especially during a pandemic. She has been very helpful in answering questions, and taking what pictures she can, but still can't get a feel for the car just with pics. Figure I could make an offer reflecting any work I would have to put into it.

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Lots of great info there, thank you so much !

Curious on the TSB regarding chattering sound, anyone have a link to that TSB ?

I did used searchtempest to do some searching, thanks for the heads up on that.

I agree any offer is better than no offer , lol .

Not particularly looking for a low mileage car, but this one happen to be one I found and I like the look.

Thanks for all the info regarding fixes and how labor intensive they are. I have some limitations now due to health issues.

Didn't realize the chrome wheels were such a hot item.
Anyone have aftermarket ones that look similar?
What size rims should I look for?

And again excellent info regarding the hard tops.
Are they easily identifiable between the generations?

FYI found a local Prowler owner,a few miles from me, but no screen name attached, so no way of contacting him directly.

How do I PM someone if I know their screen name, couldn't find a way to search, thanks.

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Here is what's possible: I bought a 2001 with 547 miles on it in December of 2019, all recalls and regular services completed. It looked like it had come off the showroom floor. It also had the matching trailer, brand new. It's a sad story but involves a deceased estate, a sentimental wife and son's who were too large for the car.

I've had to address VSL boots, window regulators, hubcaps, TPMS failure, various lift struts, door speakers, a new battery (from 2006) and a fuel gauge error. It currently has 2500 miles on the car and I need to replace the rear lateral link boots. It is essentially perfect. I would not consider parting with the package for under $38k and even that would be with regret or not at all. I saw a much less pristine version at Gateway Classic cars for $44k a month ago.

Keep looking, you'll find one.

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I am sorry but I could not locate TSB number as it has been over 5 years since I had the work done.I am a fanatic about cars and had to make sure everything was done.Your local Chrysler dealer can look it up for you, no problem. I tried to get the TSB number from my dealer but they were already closed. If your dealer can not supply you with the number pm me and I will get it next week.

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Pick a color first. Go to next step. I owned 9 prowlers still have 2. All 2001's and 1 2002. Over 200 Prowlers for sale in every year, color, price & Mileage
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Orange is the bees knees...
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Is there a fender tag or other tag showing options like color and trim, like on the older Mopars?
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quote:
Originally posted by MONC:
Is there a fender tag or other tag showing options like color and trim, like on the older Mopars?

One of the unique things about the Prowler is that there really were no options available except for the following.

1997. No options. Not even paint color. Purple Only.

1998. No production cars were available.

1999. Paint color choices (Purple, Yellow, Black, Red) were available.
In the later part of the year, chrome wheels were an "Option".

2000. Paint color choices (Purple, Yellow, Black, Red, Silver) were available.
A two tone was available on the Woodward cars which was Black over Red.

2001. Paint color choices (Purple, Yellow, Black, Red, Silver, Orange, Blue, Gold) were available.
If you chose the Mulholland Blue, the convertible top was blue.
A two tone was available on the Black Tie cars which was Black over Silver.

2002. Paint color choices (Silver, Yellow, Gold, Candy Red) were available.
There was also one High Voltage Blue car produced.

The 1997 and some of the 1999 cars had a prop rod for the hood. The rest got the hydraulic shock style units on them.

The 1997, 1999, and 2000 cars were built with Koni Shocks.
The 2001, 2002 cars were built with Dynamic Shocks which were prone to leaking while under warranty. Many got replaced, mostly with Koni Shocks.

The 2000, 2001, 2002 cars got a chrome trim around the shifter, an electronic readout built into the inside rearview mirror, and upgrades to the radio that includes a switch for speed sensitive volume control.

The 2001 Mulholland Blue cars, and all the 2002 cars were sold as Chrysler Prowlers which eliminated the "Plymouth" embossed driver side rear bumper, it was plain.

For further details, read about the Facts and Statistics on the home page here on POA http://www.prowleronline.com/facts.php

There was also a 9/10 scale trailer available for purchase as well as "Over the counter" options like the trailer hitch, wiring harness for the hitch, a Borla cat back exhaust system as well as many other items like cup holders, cd holders, and a golf or luggage bag to work with the available luggage rack that slid into the trailer hitch..

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With that said, many owners chose to personalize their cars and innovative individuals developed aftermarket items early on. Some became popular while others did not. Most were only available for a short time and are now difficult to find.
Some of the more popular items have been recreated by others in the subsequent years.

While there are still many low mileage, bone stock Prowlers still out there, there are a large percentage that have been modified and I doubt that there are many that were identically modified.

IF you are in the market for a Prowler, I would suggest that you DON'T shy away from one that might be considered high mileage cars by some people.

Prowlers with 20K to 80K miles on them today are probably better choices than one with 2K to 10K miles on them because they have often been driven and cared for more so that the garage queen "Investment" cars but this is simply my opinion. My 2000 has 54K miles on it.

I am NOT saying that a Prowler with over 80K mile on it is not a good choice. There are a few out there with well over 100K on them that are in far better overall condition than some with 5K miles on them. As a buyer, one needs to know what they are looking at.

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Appreciate the insights.
Regarding color, is the color code noted on the door VIN decal?
How would I know if the car was painted in a different color?
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I have never looked for a "Data Plate" or "Trim Tag" on any Prowler so I can't say for sure, one way or another if such an item exists.

One good way to tell would be to open the trunk lid and look at the inside tub to see if it matches the body color, another place would be the firewall under the hood. The area on the dash around the gauges should also match the exterior color.
Unless someone went to the trouble of specifically painting these areas when re-painting a car, they should match.

On the two tone factory cars, the underside of the trunk lid and the dash color around the gauges should match the color of the top half of the car's exterior color.

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If it is a factory color it most likely not repainted. If not factory color definitely repainted. I would guess 95% of all Prowlers are factory paint. It does not tell you you in vin # or anywhere else that I know of, other than window sticker. There are too many for sale in all factory colors to buy one and paint it another factory color.

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