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Alex	Hi Guys, You know I'm selling my Cat and I have been emailed by this person and the deal just sounds fishy to me...what do you think? Here's the email I got after telling them the cat was $35,000. The buyer is supposedly in the Netherlands. I have also had another email with the same sort of story about sending and excess amount and I have to cash it and give it to the shipper or pickup contact. Weird! Here is the email: Dear Alex Leedham, Thanks for the mail reagrding your CAT my client want to purchase,In other to conclude our arrangement concerning your car my client wants to purchase I forwarded your last mail content to him and he Agreed on the price you are selling but He said you will be getting payment inform of a certisfied cashier check in the amount of $55,500. This amount he explained to me that this amount will come to you in that form based on earlier order he made from a company in the states but it did not workout because there was delay in the shippment of the goods he ordered so he has proposed that if you agree with the terms of payment you should forward you name phone number and address for him to forward it to the company to make out the check in your name and when the check gets to you ,you are to refund the balance{$25,500} to his shipper for him to be able to arrange for shipping on time.So confirm this and provide the info for payment to get to you. Thanks and God bless Mark Smith & Client This message has been edited by Alex on 07-20-2004 at 08:51 AM
Bob Goetz	I get one about every 2 weeks for parts, my replies are always send me my part of the money and your shipper the balance, also tell them you are going to hold the car for 15 days to make sure the check is good. Yes they do have phoney Cashiers Checks, Norb from TGF found this out on a personal car sale. Once you do this guess what-------- they never respond or they will come back to you with, " I really only want to do 1 check due to my US contacts health". ------------------ < CLICK HERE FOR NEW REALROD.COM PARTS > < Click on my banner to go to realrod.com >
dbudner	Scam on the largest magnitude. The hope is not to get your car but to get the 25k before your bank figures out that the check was bogus. Even bank cashier checks are suspect these days. I would have either hard cash or the buyers bank and your bank get together an set up an account and wire the money. Check out Clark Howard on the web or AM radio if he is on near you. He talks about this scam pretty regular.
meancat	It's a big scam. before you know it, the check that send you is made up (phoney) then it bounce they have your car and $25,000.00 and you have a bad check.(tell them to send cash) ------------------
Bob Goetz	Yea that's another point, have a separate or new account for wire transfers, never let them get your regular account info! ------------------ < CLICK HERE FOR NEW REALROD.COM PARTS > < Click on my banner to go to realrod.com >
jusumguy1	I had the same thing from Lagos Nigeria. It is a big scam. I got a bank check that I had checked on and found out that the same check number was made out to a differant person for a differant dollar amout the year before. Some of these countries don't have laws against this. Steve
Tytanium-K	HUGE SCAM...I GOT ABOUT 8 OR 10 OF THESE b4 selling my GoldWing! Finally told two of them to GO AWAY + blocked them! I would start by just blocking them & waiting for legit STATESIDE querries/offers, etc. Ty-K
weswman	This is definetly a scam. This just happened to me. They sent me a $20,000 cashiers check, I was asking $12,000 for my car. I cashed it at the bank it was from, not my bank. I sent them back $8000, then they said the money was stolen and they need back the $12,000. I said no, and never heard from them again. I thought I made $12,000 for nothing cause' I still had the car. I got a letter from the bank 3 weeks later saying the cashiers check I cashed was counterfiet and I owed the bank $20,000. It wasn't my fault so I don't have to pay back the $8000 but it is a big pain in the *** .
Ray	Had a friend lose a Harley (very nice mdified Heritage Softail) to a counterfeit Cashier's Check scam here. Happened on long weekend ... very strategic ... he sensed something "fishy" after the fact and took it right to bank ... was given bad news BUT good thing was the Insurance company gave him what he was asking (selling for) after MUCH hassle. Seller beware as much as buyer beware these days.
ed monahan	Cash the check. Wait 10 days. No refund and no car until the check clears.
CJ	I would just run the other way and not look back. People are something else, aren't they??
Dave Mills	It sounds like a scam, forget it.
KatAddict	I bet you have the car advertised on the internet. Had several of the same offiers when selling our Lexus. Don go for it. None of them ever sent me a check. Sounds like a blessing after reading this...
Chukmar	I'm sorry - please don't take this the wrong way BUT . . . ARE YOU KIDDING??? YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!! PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE NOT SERIOUS!!! Let's look at this objectively . . . You're selling a car, the buyer proposes giving you a check for more than the asking price and then wants you to send him/her 25 grand back? And to a foreign country no less!!! What's wrong with this picture? Again, I apologize but come on . . . you actually have to ask if this is fishy?? People, please wake up and smell the java. And then, other posts indicate they know people that fell for this! It's frightening that a few $$ makes people so gullible! In my line of work we have a saying "Thank God the criminals are dumb" but in situations like this . . . Again, sorry for ranting but I just couldn't keep quiet on this one.
prowlin2002	Don't do it. This is a scam. If you are buying or saling a car check this link out before conducting any transactions with a stranger. http://buzztrader.com/auxpage.cgi?scamalert Good luck.
Dali	Just my two cents... As a business person, it is my personal belief that doning international business on a small scale is not worth the potential problems. If I was IBM then a different matter, but I'm not. Anytime you do business with another country, you have many different problems that you may not even realize are possible. First and formost, will the other country prosecute? What recourse do you have for fraud, failure to receive goods, etc. Our US laws do not necessarily apply to them, our country agencies may not be able to help with these problems, and the other country may not have the manpower or even the care to help you out. Case and point: A couple of months ago, we sold a Picasso. Price around 150K. Citizen of a European country. Wanted to send Cashiers Chk. Said % on wire transfer was to high to wire. I didn't like the sound of it. Turns out he has done good business with some major galleries, of whom I know people at, and also owns a couple of US companies. I sold it to one of his US companies, that uses the same bank I have accounts at. That give me an avenue for recourse, had the deal been fraudulent. If the deal doesn't sound good, either work it so you CANNOT get scr*wed, or walk away. Regards, Dali ------------------ "Dali" is Dr. Mike & Mrs. "Jo-Jo" S. near Dallas, Tx. Email us at: dealer@suttonplacegallery.com Visit us on the web at: www.suttonplacegallery.com Owner of a 2002 Inca Gold named "Picasso". Flaps foward and aft, 7000K HID, Platinum +4's, K&N airfilter, and Fuzzy Dice.