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Author | Topic: Replaced Timing Belt |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-15-2011 09:19 PM
I just finished replacing my timing belt, radiator hoses, heater hoses, oil change, serpentine belt, v belt and fresh antifreeze. Those hose clamps are a real pain. I had to order another 3 jaw puller to pull the harmonic ballancer, I have a stack of 3 jaw pullers but none would fit the tight space to get the job done. Car only has 6900 miles on it and is a 1999. Chaged old rubber parts as an insurance policy even though everthing I removed looked good. |
phil2237 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:PLACENTIA CALIFORNIA |
posted 05-15-2011 09:51 PM
I would hope you also changed the water pump while you had the cover off. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-16-2011 10:25 AM
No, I was not worried about the water pump because of age. It has so few miles on it I decided to let it go. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-16-2011 10:29 AM
I would not have changed the timing belt if this was not an interference engine. |
phil2237 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:PLACENTIA CALIFORNIA |
posted 05-16-2011 10:53 AM
Timing Belt was a great idea to change, water pump also , due to age. |
diamondwymond POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Cormorant |
posted 05-17-2011 08:54 AM
Please define - "interference engine" |
Greg and Veta POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Naples, FL, USA |
posted 05-17-2011 09:51 AM
I am sure someone will give a proper definition, but essentially in an interference engine when the piston is at top dead center the valves must be closed or they will hit each other (interfere). Thus if the timing belt breaks while the motor is running the pistons will hit the valves and there will be catastrophic damage. |
Blown632Monte Prowler Junkie From: |
posted 05-17-2011 11:02 AM
Greg and Veta basically said it, but, simply put, an Interference Engine is one where different parts of the engine occupy the same space but at different times - those times determined by the timing belt. If the timing belt lets go while the engine is running, the valves stop opening and closing. Some will remain open and some closed depending on where the valvetrain stopped. At the same time, the momentum of the bottom end (pistons, crankshaft, etc) keeps the bottom end spinning for a while = the pistons keep moving up and down. Since the rest of the valvetrain has stopped, those valves that remain open or partially open will be hit by the pistons in an interference engine. The end result is bent valves, possibly cracked or broken pistons and damage to the heads. I had this happen in a Hyundai Accent once and it made a real racket. Cost a lot of money to fix too... |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-21-2011 04:00 PM
Another term you may hear "non-interference engine" is a design that when the timing belt breaks or jumps time the engineers made sure there was clearance so no matter what position the valves are in the piston can not come in contact with the valves. In other words, the car stops after jumping time and no damage is done to the engine, you just replace your timing belt and go on your merry way! |
xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 05-21-2011 04:11 PM
This is great information... I need to do mine,I have over 70,000 miles on the car.. |
ondone POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Roseville, CA |
posted 05-22-2011 12:59 PM
quote: Did you document it with photos, etc? I'm expecting to do this in a year or two. Do we have it posted somewhere else? It would be good for the "Garage Section" |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-22-2011 08:29 PM
The only pictures I took were of the Harmonic Balancer. I had trouble removing it but after I got the right tool it came right off. If you follow the book you should not have any problem except for some details that should be added when installing the belt. If you have installed a timing belt before it is fairly straight forward. I have worked on some that did not have the room the Prowler has. I know it looks tight but after you take off the radiator support and the serpentine belt and v belt there is plenty of room. I would suggest putting the car up on ramps, you will need the room to work under the car to do v belt tensioning and tensioning the timing belt. This is the procedure to install the timing belt that I used. Locate the cam gear timing marks and the one on the crankshaft. Rotate the crankshaft to align all three marks. Then remove the tensioner from the engine and remove the belt. Starting from the crankshaft gear, install the belt working in a counterclockwise direction. Tip: jam something under the belt under the crankshaft gear so the belt will not slip off its gear. Next, go around the drivers side cam gear with your belt. You have to make sure it is tight between the crankshaft and the first cam gear. Tip: Rotate the cam gear just enough so you can get the belt on the cam gear then rotate it back to the timing mark and make sure it is tight and on the timing marks. Tip: This is very high tech, take two cloths pins and clip them to the cam gear to hold the new belt in the cam gear and still tight and on the timing marks. Next install the back side of the belt around the water pump and then to the next cam gear. Using the same procedure of rotating the cam gear slightly then putting the belt on the cam gear then rotating back making sure there is no slack between the cam gear, water pump and first cam gear. Install two more clothes pins to hold it in place. Now look at what you have, all three timing marks should be in time and there should be no slack until you get to the other side of the second cam gear. Install the cam gear around the tensioner and the belt is in place. Take the tensioning device and compress the plunger in a very large vice. There are alignment holes that will line up and I used a small allen wrench to hold the plunger and removed the tension from the vice. Install the tensioner with the two bolts and torque to specs. Remove the allen wrench with force and it will put tension on the new belt for the first time. Check your three timing marks, then rotate the crankshaft two full revolutions and stop the crankshaft timing mark on TDC. The cam timing marks should be lined up also, you are done. If you keep the belt tight and the marks in alignment you will get it the first time. Pat yourself on the back! Don't forget to remove the clothes pins and blocking under the crankshaft gear. I had to buy 96 clothes pins and only needed four. Now if I can convince my wife to hang the laundry out to dry I am in good shape! |
tom112 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:bessemer, al. |
posted 05-30-2011 08:07 AM
interference engine __________________________________________------- Can anyone tell me if my Honda 4 cy. engine is an "interference engine" ? thanks tom |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 05-30-2011 01:27 PM
I am fairly sure that it is. Most Hondas were interference as far as I know. |
tom112 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:bessemer, al. |
posted 05-30-2011 09:31 PM
Thanks for the info. Guess I better not fool around about replacing the timing belt. tom |
diamondwymond POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Cormorant |
posted 05-30-2011 10:34 PM
Thanks for clarifying that. i was familiar with the concept, but not the term. I thought all these 3.5's were interference style. I had one in my LHS and drove it right up to the book recommended mileage before changing timing belt. Except for that, i never turned a bolt on that engine in 200,000 miles. That was one reason i never had a doubt about buying a Prowler. I knew the maintenance would be no problems. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 05-31-2011 12:13 AM
My younger sister had a Honda years ago and the belt broke. When she told me it fried the valves, etc. I thought she was getting taken for a ride by the shop. That was the first I heard of it. That was probably 25 years ago. |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 05-31-2011 12:37 AM
For those with 97's... I believe the 97's are not an interference engine. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-31-2011 10:18 PM
My wife's ex called after we got into this timing belt thing and said his girlfriends 1995 VW Cabrio jumped time and the bill is $2900 dollars. No one ever told them the belt should be changed (ignorance isn't necessarily bliss). It had 80,000 on it. I don't have details about the damage. |
Blown632Monte Prowler Junkie From: |
posted 05-31-2011 11:05 PM
quote: At $2,900, that's probably a valve job and head work. Either that or they are getting ripped off for just having the timing adjusted. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 06-02-2011 10:27 AM
I thought it was kind of steep myself but I was assured that this is a great mechanic. When you do just about everything yourself like I do, everything seem way to high. I only take my cars in for warranty work, tires and front end alignments and little else E V E R. I have been unhappy with the services that I do get done. You go into an oil change shop and they tear into everything trying to sell you an air filter and they forget to put vacuum hoses back on and you can't figure out what is wrong. I have had tire shops bend rims with tire changers, loose wheel and missing studs on wheels. The part I don't like is complaining about it to them, so I take it out on you in this forum. lol |
JRL POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Devon, Pa. USA |
posted 06-03-2011 07:11 AM
Interesting. I never thought much about American cars having interference engines but what was said is very true. Besides mileage there is a time factor. Usual rule of thumb is XXX mileage and/or 7 to 10 years, whichever comes first. This would make EVERY KAT SOLD now due for a timing belt and tensioner change!
(My personal jewel. 2000 V70R. VERY rare, AWD, quick, the most comfy car in the world and only 30K original miles. This would make EVERY KAT SOLD now due for a timing belt and tensioner change! This message has been edited by JRL on 06-03-2011 at 07:24 AM |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 06-03-2011 11:04 PM
I didn't change the tensioner or water pump. The car only had 6,900 miles. I had about $130 doing it myself including buying the special tool (a short 3 jaw Puller). I haven't done one for a long time but I wasn't in a hurry and I feel more comfortable knowing that it's done and if something happens to the engine at least I can have a clear conscience. |
ondone POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Roseville, CA |
posted 06-06-2011 04:29 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRL: [B](My personal jewel. 2000 V70R. VERY rare, AWD, quick, the most comfy car in the world and only 30K original miles. ECU flash 310 hp. sway bars plus a bunch of other hidden upgrades. I realize that this probably does not excite anyone here but what the hell!) Nice ride!!!! Volvo R's are all underrated. |
aturner104 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Winnsboro, SC, USA |
posted 08-13-2019 07:37 PM
What should we expect to pay if we go to a dealer to have this done? Are there any owners out there that have had this done recently? |
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