posted 10-05-2005 06:57 PM                  

I can't post the pictures in this thread but they are sitting on this server already..

Here is what is posted on that website.. but you will have to click on the urls to see the pictures.

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I said I would post pictures if I tried to fix my problem with the window. I'm posting this for future reference so if someone tries to fix it themself they will know what they are getting into.

Picture #1 - The door. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg1-itr.jpg

Picture #2 - Remove the bezel around the door handle. It slides toward the back of the door. It doesn't pop off. It slides off. Be careful not to break it. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg2-itr.jpg

Picture #3 - Remove screw in the center of the plastic handle that you close the door with. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg3-itr.jpg

Picture #4 - Remove screw at the top of the door nearest the dash. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg4-itr.jpg

Picture #5 - Remove screw at the bottom of the door nearest the dash. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg5-itr.jpg

Picture #6 - Pull the panel off starting at the front of the door and work your way back. There are I believe three plastic snap that still hold the panel on. For the drivers side door you will need to disconnect the controls for the power mirrors. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg6-itr.jpg

Picture #7 - The only thing still connecting the door panel to the door is the controls for the power windows and locks. Spin the door panel upside down and you will see how to snap the controls out of the door panel. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg7-itr.jpg

Picture #8 - This is a picture of the controls snapped out of the door panel. Pull the controls back through the hole to completely remove the panel from the door. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg8-itr.jpg

Picture #9 - Door panel has been removed. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg10-itr.jpg

Picture #10 - Remove the metal backet in the center of the door and begin to peal the plastic back. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg11-itr.jpg

Picture #11 - See that white plastic pipe? That is probably the piece that is broken. That is what your about to pull out of the door. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg12-itr.jpg

Picture #12 - Remove the speaker and the black plastic seal and this is what it should look like. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg13-itr.jpg

Picture #13 - I didn't get a picture of me removing the 3 screws that hold the window on the tracks. You will see them. There is one at the front of the window and two at the back of the window. The window will slide out the top of the door. I didn't take pictures of this because I was being careful not to break the window. This next picture shows the window out of the car and I've taken the nuts off the brackets that hold the entire window mechanism. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg14-itr.jpg

Picture #14 - Remove the nuts at the back of the door. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg15-itr.jpg

Picture #15 - Ok the assembly is now disconnected from the door. Pull the assembly out the big whole in the dash side of the door. Be really careful not to scratch your dash or the door jam. Also be careful not to get grease on the carpet. It would be a good idea to have a hand towel around cause you will probably get some grease on your hands. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg16-itr.jpg

Picture #16 - Oops.. Don't forget to disconnect the power from the window motor. It is clipped onto the inside of the door and is out of sight. Give the plastic clip a pull and disconnect the wiring to the motor. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg17-itr.jpg

Picture #17 - Everything is disconnected its time to pull it all out of the door. You may have to wiggle it around some to get the back rails out of the front of the door. It took me a couple of minutes to get it out. Don't rush it will fit. You can see the broken section in the middle of this picture. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg18-itr.jpg

Picture #18 - Ok the previous picture showed the plastic tubing pulled apart. This is that same tubing pushed back together. You can see the fracture clearly. This is probably your window problem. This little cracked tube is the part that is always on back order. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg19-itr.jpg

Ok thats the last of the pictures I took. I did a quick fix on this plastic tubing with duct tape. I will go back in at a later date and either replace this with a new piece or do a more permenant fix. Some long term solutions I have heard people using is fiberglass tape and epoxy, and heat wrap. I'm sure both of those will last a heck of a lot longer than duct tape but thats what I had handy. At some later date I will post an update on how long the duct tape lasted. haha..

posted 10-05-2005 07:03 PM                  

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Originally posted by TLRandall:
Do you think that there is enough room to reinforce the tubes while still on the car? I'm wondering if for those whose have not broken yet, we could fiberglass tape or coat them with epoxy without actually removing the part from the door. From the pictures, it appears that there may be enough room to do this. What do yo think???

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I was able to feel the break but I couldn't actually see it without removing the part. It is a tighter spot that it looks like.. I dropped a bolt down in the door and I couldn't get it out till I got the regulator and all out of the door. Not enough room for that stuff and my hand at the same time. It really wasn't that big a deal.

I like your idea of reinforcing that tubing before it breaks. When I go back in to work on it I think I may do that very thing on the passengers side. I just had that side replaced at the dealer like two months ago.

posted 10-05-2005 07:14 PM                  

That is an excellent description of the process. I had no trouble bringing up the site.

posted 10-05-2005 08:29 PM                  

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Originally posted by Kraut:
InThe Red,

That is an excellent description of the process. I had no trouble bringing up the site.

Do you think it would be possible to get one end of the tube off, so a copper tube could be put over the plastic tube to reinforce it? There has to be a way that this plastic tube can be reinforced to prevent it breaking in the first place.

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If you take a look at this picture.. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/image_uploads/WWW/winreg18-itr.jpg

The white tubing is modeled into that white piece on the left. It didn't look like it could come apart.. I don't think that would work. It would be easier to just reinforce it with a wrap. Anything to make it stronger than it is. Obviously it doesn't have to be very strong mine is currently held together with 10 cents worth of duct tape. haha..

posted 10-05-2005 09:46 PM                  

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Originally posted by toecutter:
Heres what I did and it seems to be holding up
I put jbweld around the crack.
I then cut a soda can and wrapped it around the jbweld.
Then I wrapped the aluminum with picture frame wire.
Finally more jb weld over the whole thing.
Originally I only used the jbweld and it only help up for a day or so.

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WOW! You got serious about your fix! Thats cool.. we can add that to the previously mentioned methods that others have used. Thanks for posting your fix.. cool idea with the soda can.

posted 10-05-2005 09:55 PM                  

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Originally posted by garysss:
Very good info & pic's, hope I never need to repair but odds are I will. Thanks for taking time to clear up what is breaking and possible fix. Gary

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posted 10-06-2005 01:43 AM                  

Best regards,

posted 10-06-2005 01:47 PM                  

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Originally posted by butchcee:
great and informative photos--do they all break in the same place? When in place, how close is the tube to the door skin or inner panel?

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I understand they tend to break at the top and bottom.. primarily at the bottom like mine did. The tube is in a fairly tight spot in the middle of the door.