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roadster      POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:E. Wenatchee, Wa. |
posted 03-01-2003 11:42 AM
    
I have a hold on the 2000 Black Tie, which I am told was the original show car for this model. The seller, who is unfamiliar with the Prowler models,is very honest and is trying to get docs from Chrysler Corp. to prove it was the original prototype of the Black Tie. He does have docs that prove it was a Chrysler show car. I would appreciate any info the members could provide. Thanks |
ALLEY CAT               POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 11:55 AM
roady - the black tie should have a factory pinstripe,,,,with a # and sig of Dr. Rau on the lower portion of the trunk lid. Check that out. ------------------
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roadster POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:E. Wenatchee, Wa. |
posted 03-01-2003 04:44 PM
Alley Cat; Ihad him check the vehicle and it has the stripe, but no Dr.Ru signature or number. The Chrysler dealer in Naples, Florida states that when he purchased the vehicle at a Chrysler dealers only auction he was told that this vehicle was the auto show prototype of the Black Tie coming out in 2001. That all I know to date. I would like to know if anyone may have heard or read about such a vehicle. Thanks |
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Prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Erhard, MN |
posted 03-01-2003 05:01 PM
I kinda, in the back of my little brain, remember something about the prototypes not having the pinstipe signed by Dr. Rau. Should have the build date on the door though. If you can get that from the seller, post it and we'll see what some of the others think.
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roadster POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:E. Wenatchee, Wa. |
posted 03-01-2003 05:33 PM
Prowler; The vin # is 1P3EW65GOYV606376 Thanks |
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gulfcoastautobrokers Prowler Enthusiast From:Naples, Florida, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 05:44 PM
quote: I'm the Seller. I have inspected the car for a number and a signature and there is none. Posted on this site under The Prowler Story, July 2000, there shows that 5 Two Tones were produced that were PILOTS. Can this car be one of the pilots? If you can help us please let us know. The VIN# of the car is 1P3EW65G0YV606376. |
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roadster POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:E. Wenatchee, Wa. |
posted 03-01-2003 05:46 PM
In the Prowler Story section of the website, under the production numbers for 2000, it states that there were 5 two tone pilot vehicles produced. How would one verify if this vehicle is one of the five pilots that were painted Black & Silver. Thanks |
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gulfcoastautobrokers Prowler Enthusiast From:Naples, Florida, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 05:54 PM
The build date is 7/6/2000. |
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gulfcoastautobrokers Prowler Enthusiast From:Naples, Florida, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 06:08 PM
How visible is the signature and number? Is it painted or etched in the paint of the stripe? The warehouse was dark and I might have missed it if it was etched. |
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Prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Erhard, MN |
posted 03-01-2003 06:58 PM
I have a Mulholland striped by Dr. Rau. His signature is very small and almost imperceptable, right in the bottom center of the deck lid and on the stripe. I sent a PM to Mike K. to see if he could help us out on this. With a build date of 7/6/2000, it would fit with the other info that it is authentic. Anyone know who has Black Tie #1? Compare build dates. |
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ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 07:35 PM
The Black Tie Prowler was introduced during the DC Black Tee Party held in Auburn Hills, during the Woodward Dream Cruise event, the third weekend of August, 2000. Its possible, but not probable, that the first Black Ties were built that early in July of 2000, and kept from the public eye. Mike Krehel is on a much deserved vacation, and may not be able to answer the above question at this time. Bob and CJ Longstreth are the next best bet, and should be online during this weekend. I'm sure they will be able to answer your question. Also, Laddie or Fred H. might be able to provide the information requested. Not to start a riot or anything,,,,,there are afew fakes out there I understand. |
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ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 07:43 PM
gulfcoastAB - with a flashlite, you should be able to see the production # painted by hand, in the pinstripe, in the center of the trunk lid. Also, if I was the buyer, I would pull the inside trunk liner and the hood liner loose to see if those items were painted black over a silver,,,,,,if so, then I would think that this cat may not be a true Black Tie. Like I said above, not trying to start a riot here, JMO |
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gulfcoastautobrokers Prowler Enthusiast From:Naples, Florida, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 07:49 PM
I don't see how it would be so unlikely. With the documentation I have, the car was built 7/6/00 as a silver car. If they pulled this car from the production line after 7/6/00 and by the time they made it the prototype, the time frame would be about right. |
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ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 08:10 PM
As CJ posted previously.........the "pilot" cars are usually crushed. Because they are for "testing" they usually aren't "legal" and therefore, can't be sold.
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Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Colton, CA |
posted 03-01-2003 08:14 PM
Pilot cars are normally crushers from what I've heard but "two-tone" cars are regular pre-production cars that are made for the auto show circuit to introduce the new paint scheme. Mike and Kim Venezia have a two-tone "Woodward" that has no number on it. |
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ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 08:25 PM
Topic title on this thread: 2000 Black Tie
This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 03-01-2003 at 08:28 PM |
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gulfcoastautobrokers Prowler Enthusiast From:Naples, Florida, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 08:49 PM
The local Dodge dealer purchased this car from a Chrysler auction in N.C. This auction was opened to only Chrysler and Dodge dealers. It had less than 200 miles on it. It was represented as a Chrysler show car. This was the paint job on it when it was purchased by the dealer. An affidavit was attached to the mso title that had to be signed by the first retail buyer, stating it was a show car. The warranty was activated 4/9/02. To make matters more confusing, the mso title reads Chrysler not Plymouth. I am going to inspect the car tonight and check for repaint and will update everyone on the findings tomorrow. |
matthew46 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Keyport, NJ, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 09:15 PM
This is from the Owners' Registry.
The VIN # you gave would fit after the last 2000 silver in the registry and before the first 2000 yellow. Maybe everyone is right. Maybe they used one of the last 2000 silvers and painted in Black Tie (that would make the most sense) and used it as the "show / pilot" car. Maybe???? ~~~~I could be wrong too.~~~~ ------------------ |
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ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 03-01-2003 09:22 PM
gulfcoast - I figure you to be an honest person and dealer. Most others would tell us to go take a flyin' XXXX by now. You are persistant, and really want to get the right answer on this subject. All Prowlers built since mid-January, 2001 are titled as Chryslers,,,,so yes, this makes it even more confusing. I hope it all works out for you and Roadster. 4-09-02 activation means it still has some serious warranty time remaining, so that is a big plus! If the new buyer buys the extended warranty, it will be covered until 2009 = WOW, even I would be interested in that type of deal. How many miles are on that cat right now? Good luck to both of you guys! Hope it all works out for the positive. |
TriJim POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chambersburg, PA |
posted 03-01-2003 09:40 PM
Someone bought the car using the Buy-It-Now option for $33,900. Sounds like a good deal if it is a Black Tie with a clean record. Good luck to the new owner. ------------------ |
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Todd Cameron unregistered Admin Use |
posted 03-01-2003 09:40 PM
I do remember CJ stating that the original ( or pilot's) Black Tie's were not numbered somewhere on the board. Maybe someone can find it by a search? I'm too tired at the moment. There have been a few fake Black Tie's "produced" be dealers. One of the So Cal Local's has purchased one from a local dealer and is trying to get their money back. Of further interest. I "own" two Chrysler Prowler's financed by DC< and the financing materials from DC calls them PLYMOUTHS! |
CatDude POA Site Supporter Prowler Avatar Master From:Charlottesville, Va |
posted 03-01-2003 09:53 PM
Interesting... This might just be legit... I haven't heard of this story before, but I'm no authority either. Questions... |
CJ POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Rochester Hills, MI USA |
posted 03-02-2003 01:11 AM
quote: It is my understanding that the Woodwards were built as reds with the hoods painted black later. Same goes for the Black Ties........they were built as silver with the black hood done later. Alleycat is correct in stating that the Black Tie was introduced to the public at the Black Tee Party. I honestly do not know if that particular car was pintstriped and signed by Dr. Ru........I don't think I bothered to look. They may have sent the car to auction, I don't know. I doubt, though, that DC was putting any Prowlers on the show circuits..........if they were, I doubt there would have been more than a couple used for this purpose! |
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gulfcoastautobrokers Prowler Enthusiast From:Naples, Florida, USA |
posted 03-02-2003 01:13 AM
I inspected the car. The paint under the hood and the truck lid is black. It looks original. There are no wrench marks on any bolts. The paint line on the doors is level. It does not appear to have the black painted over the Silver. The black on the doors are painted inside up to the seam. I think it might be numero uno!!! I don't know anything else I can do to prove it. I will call Chrysler Monday maybe they can shed some light on it. |
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gulfcoastautobrokers Prowler Enthusiast From:Naples, Florida, USA |
posted 03-02-2003 01:15 AM
quote: It is my understanding that the Woodwards were built as reds with the hoods painted black later. Same goes for the Black Ties........they were built as silver with the black hood done later. Alleycat is correct in stating that the Black Tie was introduced to the public at the Black Tee Party. I honestly do not know if that particular car was pintstriped and signed by Dr. Ru........I don't think I bothered to look. They may have sent the car to auction, I don't know. I doubt, though, that DC was putting any Prowlers on the show circuits..........if they were, I doubt there would have been more than a couple used for this purpose! :)[/B][/QUOTE] |
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