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jkburns


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posted 09-02-2002 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkburns     send a private message to jkburns   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jkburns
It's never too early (in Minnesota) to start planning for winter. Since my Kat is new, this will be the first winter I've placed it in hibernation.

Here's the plan:

Attached garage, no heat, concrete floor. Kat will have about 300 miles on it.

Wash and wax, top up but not latched. Full gas tank. Change the oil (Mobil 1, 5W30), Mopar cover on.

1) Should I place moth balls, rodent bait or a small fan under the car?

2) How often should I start it during the winter? For how long?

3) Should I move the car, even if it's a few feet, to shift the position of the tires?

4) other advice?


Thanks, gang!


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This message has been edited by jkburns on 09-02-2002 at 09:40 AM

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Burnze - Winter storage? Is this a new term? I'd suggest moving to Arizona and driving the cat 345 days per year!
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Unlike Alley Cat, I am familiar with the term Winter Storage.

1. I do put moth balls in my car.
2. I do not start my car at all during the winter, but I do attach a "Battery Tender" to automatically trickle charge the battery as necessary.
3. Since I don't start the car, I don't move the tires.

My car usually sits from mid December until March.

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posted 09-02-2002 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WildCat     send a private message to WildCat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WildCat
Full tank of fuel with STABLIZER and run long enough to get it completly thru the system

I would suggest you bag it, CJ is the bag expert

Battery tender on battery

Do a search for winter storage and you should see all the tips from the past 2 winter storage threads

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JK,
You will probably get more answers than you need, but this is my practice for the past many years.
My situation is much like yours-
1. Attached garage.
2. Not heated.
3. Wash & Wax
4. Change oil/filter.
5. I leave my top down, probably does not matter.
6. I use my car cover.
7. I inflate the tires to 35psi, to lessen to profile.
8. Place a carpet remnant under entire car 8'x14'?
9. Battery tender for the season.
10. Unless it can be driven, I do not start it periodically to run the motor. Most people in the colder climates do not run their cars long enough to beneficial. They usually shut the cars down and have only created condensation in the crankcase and exhaust system.
11. I usually, I place a couple of small mouse traps on either side of the overhead garage door, early season will have small field mice looking shelter.

This I my opinion for Michigan!

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I AGREE WITH EVRYONE ABOVE....BATTERY TENDER IS A MUST REALLY SAVES THE BATTERY...I PUT THE TOP UP BUT NOT LATCHED...BUT ACCORDING TO GOODYEAR IF THE CAR IS GOING TO SIT FOR MORE THAT 4-6 WEEKS YOU SHOULD TAKE THE WEIGHT OFF THE TIRES SO NOT TO CAUSE FLAT SPOTS....I KNOW THIS IS A VERY OPINIONATED TOPIC BUT I CALLED GOODYEAR AND VERIFIED IT, AND FOR ALL THE MORE HASSLE IT IS BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY...DOESNT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR SUCKKKKK..HAVING TO THINK ABOUT PUTTING IT AWAY...
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posted 09-02-2002 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howler Cat     send a private message to Howler Cat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Howler Cat
quote:
Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
...I'd suggest moving to Arizona and driving the cat 345 days per year!

If you make to AZ, why not continue for 6 more hours until you hit the beach. Arizona PDs are hunting and serving warrants for AC's Prowler gangs. Especially at IN-OUT BURGERS...

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If your worried about rodents dont use moth balls ! Use bounce fabric softener sheets spread them all over under the hood trunk everywhere , seats carpets etc. . the rodents hate the smell and your car will smell great in the spring. Ive been doing this for years on all my collector cars works great!!!
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Im from Michigan (former)resident. I moved 22years ago, got sick of hereing California Dreamin on the radio in the winter months. No dream, no more, Drive=Love 365 days a year here. Luv the California weather, this car is a blast to drive all year long. Cant imagine to have to put it away! But really I know what your going though...
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Wildcat...........I'm not sure I like the way that sounded!! Are you calling me a "bag lady?" lol!

Kevin............From one of my previous posts: Here is the link to the company that sells the CarJacket and the dessicant tubes:

http://www.carbag.com/

We chose this type of bag because it is our understanding that the fan-inflated bubbles circulate available air that has high relative humidity. Those bags are generally clear and allow any ultra-violet light to penetrate. Our research indicates that the translucent CarJacket, along with the 20lbs. of dessicant (the bag comes with 10 lbs.) is the optimal solution. The darkness and inert atmosphere in the bag work especially well. We find that the 20lbs. from the beginning of Fall storage weighs 30 lbs. when we "let the cat out of the bag" in the Spring! That means approximately 1 1/2 gallons of water was removed from the controlled atmosphere!

The dessicant can be re-used by drying it in the oven just before re-use. It comes with instructions on how to do that.


Also keep in mind that if you use one of these fan-inflated bags to store your car for the winter and it is in your daily garage......any moisture and/or snow that is dropping off your other vehicles as they are parked in the garage is also being circulated by this fan into the bubble where your car is stored.

Of course, this is a matter of choice and this is just our opinion based on our extensive research.

This is the third winter for our CarJacket and my cat is just as good as new. I know that other people store their cats for the winter without any of these bags and say they have not had any problems. We prefer to not take any chances, but then we store it in our daily garage!!

We also know of another source here in Michigan that is a authorized dealer for the bags and will sell them to the Prowler Owners at a discount. Email me if you are interested.

In addition, following is the link for the Battery Tenders that we purchased. There are many different kinds, being sold everywhere, but this is the best deal we found anywhere! They are usually sold retail for approx. $59.95. As you wil; see when you click on the link that they sell theirs for $33.95. It is the one with the Order #01991.

http://www.accwhse.com/batteryt.htm


Here is the procedure we follow every year:

I'm in Michigan also, and here is my procedure for storing the cat:

We fill the cat with gas, adding fuel stabilizer at the gas station - drive the cat back to ensure the stabilizer reaches throughout the fuel system. Full tank of gas minimizes the amount of air in the tank, minimizing oxidation of the fuel.

We use battery tenders because they monitor battery voltage, only charging to maintain a full charge, never overcharging. Battery Tender just released a permanent bleed for the battery and with a cap to protect the connector. Also change the oil and filter before storing it. Air the tires to the maximum pressure on the sidewall, making sure to remember to lower them to the recommended levels in the Spring.

In our climate, cold winter, high humidity, stored in a garage that is used daily, we elect to bag the car. There are many types of bags. The best solution is a black plastic bag and large quantities of dessicant in the bag to remove all moisture within the inert atmosphere. When the car is removed, it is absolutely as clean as the day it was put away with the engine starting faster than I would care to have.

We thoroughly cleaned the cat, making sure it is completely dry before putting it in the bag. Also making sure that it is waxed and detailed. We cover it with its normal car cover before putting in the bag. It is a type of bag that zips on three sides. You drive the car onto the bag carefully. Distribute the dessicant tubes under the hood, in the trunk, in the interior and in the bag. We used 20 lbs. and extracted 1 to 1 1/2 gallons of water. Then we put on the normal cover so that the bag doesn't scratch the car if it blows around at all. We put on the battery tender and zipped up the bag. When we took it out this Spring, it was as clean and beautiful as the day we put it in.

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Live in Indaian, Change oil, full gas tank, drive car onto carpet remnents. Start car every 3 weeks and run for about 10 minutes. Got with local car museum and this was there advise. Works for me.
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HEY,ALLEY CAT,WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE OTHER 20 DAYS PER YEAR
TO MAKE IT 365? NOT DRIVING IT?
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quote:
Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
Burnze - Winter storage? Is this a new term? I'd suggest moving to Arizona and driving the cat 345 days per year!


AC - what's wrong with other 20 days. In Kentucky I drive my KAT 365 days a year!! (366 in leap year)

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I wasn't going to say anything, afterall, A/C did offer some advice.

But perhaps his math skills are about as sharp as Fixumm's spelling talents?!

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OK guys, your answer - Phx Chamber of Commerce says it rains 20 days per year,,,,,,cats hate water,,,,,,345 days of nice driving time with no rain.
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Agree with all of the above except, put 40-45 lbs of air in tires.
I've found out from storing my cars in winter throughout the years thet it's not worth taking the tires off the car. If you have any flat spots at all which, with low profile tires, are rare after high pressure storage, it will always go away after 20-40 miles of driving in the spring, guaranteed!!
JRL
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quote:
Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
OK guys, your answer - Phx Chamber of Commerce says it rains 20 days per year,,,,,,cats hate water,,,,,,345 days of nice driving time with no rain.

That's why they have tops! They also come from the factory with windshield wipers. Even for those like me who have removed them it means tnhey are engineered to be driven in the rain.

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Okay - I don't understand. Mouse traps? Rodent bait? Can't your kats catch mice? I would consider training your kats to be mousers!!

Why the heck put it away? Put skis on the front, studded tires on the back, a little plow on the nose and you could go out anytime you wish

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, California... I guess we just don't understand

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Thanks, Cliff.

(lol)

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I HAD A GUY TELL ME THE OTHER DAY AT A CRUISE IN HE HAD A SNOW PLOW FOR THE CAR AND CHAINS FOR THE TIRES...IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I THINK I HAVE HIS NUMBER LYING AROUND!!!
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thats why i put my licence plate on the end of nose to help push snow out of the way its not nearly as bad in the snow as the 2000 mustang was just start out in 2nd in auto stick drive it all year thats what its for big john

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Sorry, I have no suggestions regarding your winter storage as living in South Florida we are Prowlin' year round.

However, I do have different "winter" suggestion...

While your Cat is hibernating, I want to invite you to join us for the POA Winter National Event, Prowlin' the Seas, February 2003 in the Caribbean.

When you return from paradise all tanned and refreshed in March it will be time to wake you Cat up and resume your favorite Prowlin' activities.

For more information regarding this POA Event, please give Lynn & Ben a call @ 888 522 7447 ASAP and reserve your place as an "Official" Prowlin' the Seas Participant.

Hope this suggestion will help you and your Cat tolerate those cold winter months.

Best wishes, Jay

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What happened to the time-honored approach of "up on blocks"??? I thought this was the preferred method to not only prevent flat-spots on the tires, but to also relieve the weight from the springs and shocks.

-GRROWL

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Putting your car up on blocks is wrong . Your control arm bushings are at a natural position sitting on the tires . When you hang the suspension it stretches your bushings and leads to tearing them . Just pump up the air in your tires for the storage time . Hope this helps ..................
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Grrowl: Your timing is amazing! I spoke with an authorized Goodyear dealer this afternoon and went over my plan. He practically insisted that I put the Kat on blocks. He did, however, say that since nylon is no longer used in today's tires, "flat spots" shouldn't be much of a problem if I didn't put it up on blocks. So I left thinking I'd go the blocks route.

Moparmania: Your information never occured to me. Now I'm heavily leaning toward NOT putting it up on blocks, but inflating to approximately 44 psi (the Max recommended by Goodyear) and leaving it on the floor. On a tarp, using a CarJacket and Battery Tender as previously suggested.

CJ: Get back to me, please, regarding the CarJacket...I sent you an e-mail.

Everyone: I appreciate your wisdom and advice.

A/C: I appreciate your...................

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