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Marty Usher          POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 07-01-2002 07:59 AM
    
I miss the banners. The posts look plain without them. I believe the banners help make you feel like you know the person posting a little better. If the issue is load time for people with dial up service, is there someway a feature can be built in to the website that dial up users can click to block all banners if they choose? Marty ------------------  Driving my Dream |
Howler Cat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Costa Mesa, California |
posted 07-01-2002 08:37 AM
I agree Marty. The banner is represents each member's personality. ------------------ |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 07-01-2002 08:48 AM
here here ------------------
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butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 07-01-2002 09:19 AM
Now we have the choice to show the banner or not. I dont always show anymore as it was mentioned that slow loaders have a problem.  |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 07-01-2002 09:31 AM
quote: Al - The problem with that is that when someone does not post their banner in order to be sensitive to the dial up members loading time, the rest of us don't get to see the banners either. As I mentioned above, I believe this leaves the messages looking plain. The banners are nice; people have spent a lot of creative time and effort developing them and they make prowleronline standout from other forums. That is why I hope MikeK/Tony can develop a way for dial up users to be able to turn off viewing banners while the high speed access people can still enjoy seeing them. Having the banners on the first post of each thread is probably a good compromise. I just hope I can remember to check the box. Marty This message has been edited by Marty Usher on 07-01-2002 at 09:55 AM |
KLKschwarz POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Agoura Hills, California |
posted 07-01-2002 09:41 AM
I made the post in the "suggestion box" to request that the space taken up by the bannersandsignatures be limited or conformed in some way, not eliminated. Therefore, it is my responsibility to explain why I made the suggestion. I like the Banners, Avatars, personal links to the scrap books etc. The Banners do represent the personality of the people involved and that can not be lost. Our Prowlers are very personal toys as exhibited by the passion shown in posts on this site. My suggestion was directed to the signatures which the banners are a part. I have high speed internet access so it's not a download issue to me and that did not prompt the suggestion. Some of the signatures are quite long and others are very short, primarily the result of added text. It can become difficult(for me)to browse through the posting chains with one line responses and 15 lines of signature plus banner on one and one line on the others. Seems like kind of overkill to me to describe all the modifications for your Prowler in every post. I find the all the information on this site interesting and vital to the sharing of information related to the Prowler. I have learned a great deal about the Prowler and modifications, etc. I have owned mine for only 3 months, can't wipe the smile off my face, have the modification bug like most people who post this site and I am working on what I want in my own personal banner. The years of experience of the people on this site have made a big difference to my ownership experience of my Prowler, not to mention the people I have met. Further, Please do not begin a "flame" war on this topic about personal choice, freedom of speech, or "conforming to the norm". This suggestion is not that important to warrant such a discussion. The suggestion is meant to make this board easier for the user and less cumbersome to read. Any suggestions on addressing this would be great. |
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Howler Cat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Costa Mesa, California |
posted 07-01-2002 09:52 AM
KLKschwarz Some of us just missed them, that's all. Oh man, I've forgtten to check the box again... This message has been edited by Howler Cat on 07-01-2002 at 09:53 AM |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 07-01-2002 10:14 AM
quote: KLK - When I started this thread, I did not realize you had posted anything in the Suggestion Section. I was just reading all the posts this morning and the thought struck me that I missed the banners. I can see there is a lot more to it and people have other issues about them, signatures, mods list, etc. This is not to mention how much computer space they take on the server. I believe you are correct about how valuable and helpful the information on this website has been and continues to be to the many of us Prowler Owners that frequent this site. But - I do miss the banners! Happy Prowling Marty |
CJ           POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Rochester Hills, MI USA |
posted 07-01-2002 12:59 PM
quote: Unless you are like fixumm and don't have a personality! The banners are cool and I enjoy seeing them all. |
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prwlyn POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Visit Fred's Lord Of The Looks From:Richmond, Texas USA |
posted 07-01-2002 01:07 PM
Banners are not the issue here. It is the fact that some members have taken to adding every mod they do on their car and it does make the signature very long in some cases. The banner doesn't take up that much room but with all the text added it does. I believe that is what KLKschwarz was eluding too. I agree it has gotten out of hand on banners with text included... Leave the banners but exclude the text in that field of the form.. This message has been edited by prwlyn on 07-01-2002 at 01:08 PM |
Laddie Roussel >POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Hester, LA. USA |
posted 07-01-2002 01:09 PM
Hey Kara. No Problem... I like the banners & I like the way it is now... Click the "Show Signature:" to show your banner or signature..... The one suggestion I would make is to add the "Show Signature" banner box back to the "Edit" function... I've forgotten to click the box sometimes & when I went back to the edit - there's not a box for "Show Signature" banner... ------------------ |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 07-01-2002 01:13 PM
If everyone would just leave their Prowler totally stock, like me, we could eliminate a lot of these problems. I also suggest getting cable. I can post way quicker now, and that is a GOOD thing, right? ------------------ |
Mike Krehel POA Site Supporter The World's Quickest Prowler (11.65 sec) and Administrating Kat Personal ScrapBook From:United States |
posted 07-01-2002 01:14 PM
There are two reasons why we decided to make the banners an elective choice: 1 - Complaints about the banners physically causing more scrolling in order to read through an entire thread. 2 - Load times are greatly extended for dial-up people. I'm on a 6000 kbps DSL and personally have no problem with the banners, but since I've received numerous e-mail complaints (mostly about page load times on 56k and slower dial-ups) and because there were several suggestions to make the banners an "opt in" instead of "opt out" (you need to check the Show Signature box when posting to make your banner show), I decided to try them in the "opt out" mode for a while. We've investigated modifying the Discussion Forum to have a graphics on or graphics off mode, but doing so becomes very complex. What if someone decided to post a picture in their thread? What about the Message Icons? Anything is doable, but I understand that it would involve a lot of programming, which would equate to a lot of $$$. We have always tried to keep the POA a democracy... It's your community and I've always tried to let the majority of ya'll make decisions like this. Maybe we should do a poll first to find out what percentage of the people are on dial-up and then another poll to find out if the lesser number of banners lately has improved their load times. Your comments please! ------------------ |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 07-01-2002 01:20 PM
Mike, a poll would be interesting just to see the numbers. I like the banners but some of them are a little much and if someone does not have access to cable, I can see where it would take forever. I refuse to complain about a fantastic service that I get totally free. Once again, Thank You VERY much for bringing us all together. (Even you know who) lol. Since I have cable it does not affect me but I am satisfied whichever way it turns out. |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 07-01-2002 01:25 PM
MikeK - since I started this particular thread let me say that I am sure I speak for EVERYONE when I say we really appreciate your generosity in hosting and administrating prowleronline.com. I do not know a lot about what it takes from an administration or programming stand point and certainly do NOT want to see a lot of $$$ spent, especially when you make this site available to us all at No Charge. Thank you. Marty |
CWatsonJr POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Pollock Pines, CA, USA |
posted 07-01-2002 02:07 PM
Here Here Mike! This is the best site around!  If you do that poll - please put in a question to ask if you are on dial up, do the banners pose a problem? Personally, I am on dial-up 95% of the time and I do not have a problem with them. I love to see the creative work!! I really think it adds personality to the site. |
dpena POA Site Supporter Administrating Kat Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement Personal ScrapBook From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara |
posted 07-01-2002 04:53 PM
Folks, Allow me to explain this loading image phenomena. All of us loggin into the POA are actually reviewing the files that get downloaded on your PC harddrive called cache. Do not think your viewing any of this realtime from the POA server. Your dial-up card or ethernet card will make a request for access and the POA server will download all the html, java, and image details straight into your PC cache directory. The first time will always be the longest for the first time users. Next time you log onto the POA, your browser will first review its browser cache for the file or image details. If it finds it, it will upload the image details stright from your cache into your screen intead of the dial-up line. Loading from your browser cache will be very quick depending on your CPU speed. Now if you browse several dozen websites everyday, then most likely your cache will delete older files. You set the size of your browser cache to whatever you want. Most caches default to about 1024K. There is also a memory cache will will load info onto a temparary directory on your harddrive. This will be a slower process but still faster than a dial-up connection of about 28.8K. On Netscape this is what that preferences window looks like. This is how mine is set for Netscape.
If my banner is already loaded on your browser cache, it will not take the 2 seconds to load like it normally does but will only take half a second. Hope this helps in understanding loading times. ------------------ |
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Laddie Roussel >POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Hester, LA. USA |
posted 07-01-2002 06:06 PM
Dan. Thanks for the info on how this stuff works... |
CatDude POA Site Supporter Prowler Avatar Master From:Charlottesville, Va |
posted 07-01-2002 06:33 PM
quote: Notice that you can insert hyperlinks in your signature. I have done that with mine, so that if a newbie sees my signature and they want more info, then all they got to do is click on VIRGINIA CAT DUDE '02 SILVER ------------------ |
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CatDude POA Site Supporter Prowler Avatar Master From:Charlottesville, Va |
posted 07-01-2002 06:45 PM
Mike, For the record, I use a dial-up modem and I prefer the banners. (BTW... How does everyone like my cool new banner???) ------------------ |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 07-01-2002 10:19 PM
OK, I've waited and read it all (didn't understand much of anything you said Dan, but that is NOT your fault ).As in the past, I vote to let the majority rule on this. I spend half of my 3.5 power packed POA hours daily on the slow, dial-up
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This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 07-01-2002 at 10:20 PM |
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MadMikey Prowler Junkie From:Las Vegas, NV, USA |
posted 07-01-2002 10:20 PM
Also... If your dial-up speed is slow and you don't like the long load times caused by the images you can simply turn of the option in your browser to display images. Voila... no lag caused by images... MadMikey :{> This message has been edited by MadMikey on 07-01-2002 at 10:25 PM |
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MadMikey Prowler Junkie From:Las Vegas, NV, USA |
posted 07-01-2002 10:39 PM
Long live banners!! :{> ------------------
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sunbird Prowler Junkie From:Ridgecrest, California |
posted 07-01-2002 11:02 PM
I have a dial-up modem and do not have a problem with banners. I did waste a lot of time when I found my banner was not showing. Took me two nights before I found I had to check a box (which I ususally forget because we didn't have to before) before my banner would show. I say to keep the banners. The lists of mods can really go though. What Dan says about the cache is true for the banners, but the text is not cached and must be reloaded with each viewing. I think a link to a website is OK, but skip all of the mods listings. Sound like a good compromise? |
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sunbird Prowler Junkie From:Ridgecrest, California |
posted 07-01-2002 11:07 PM
Dang - I forgot to click the check box again! I think this is what the complaint is about (sorry to pick on you MadMikey - it is just representative of what many do):
quote: This message has only three words of message and 36 words of 'advertising'. ------------------ |
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and half of that time on Lethia's cable modem with lazer speed, and do my rock solid analysis of the hot topics from her 'puter.
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