posted 06-18-2001 10:01 AM                  

Most of the Prowler Owners I talk to think it is crazy we have 2 discussion boards. Why do we have 2 Discussion Boards? I certainly do not have time to keep up with both Boards. We should work on combining them now that Nowell is out of the Picture. We would all reek the benefits of this.

- More Posts.
- Larger Registry.
- Lower Cost for Ads, which would lower product costs.
- We would all be "On the same page"!! Imagine that
- Better way to inform Prowler owners and new owners.
- and etc. ...

"Can't we all just get along" Does any one else agree with me? seems silly to me.

Thanks

posted 06-18-2001 11:05 AM                  

I do hope it can be resolved.

And I do hope I don't see the inevitable unhappy post of past history. It is just that people, history.

posted 06-18-2001 11:33 AM                    

very good points .SO what should be done?

FYI :Spoons Nowell is not out of picture for another six months I'm not sure how but I think he has the rights for merchandising...

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davidn

posted 06-18-2001 12:02 PM                  

On second thought, I am putting back what I edited. Sorry if you don't approve.

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Who said we don't get along?

Prowler Owners Association and Prowleronline.com was started to give Prowler Owners more than one choice. There were a number of owners who were not satisifed with the only choice there was at the time. POA and Prowleronline.com has been a wonderful alternative and I believe that it has been very successful. In less than a year, we have 624 registered members and over 35,000 posts!! I would venture that it would be safe to say that there are many Prowler Owners who like having a choice! There are many PPC members who have been posting on the POA site in addition to the PPC site for quite some time. I think they have been welcomed with open arms and have enjoyed both, both on the site and at events.

I guess I am of the adage........"Don't fix it if it ain't broke!" I much prefer a venue that offers me choices that I can make on my own....not being told what I can and cannot do. I don't know if it has been established yet, what the goals of the PPC are. I do remember seeing a post that stated that Tom would like to run PPC more like a club similar to Viper, PTCC, etc. Which then means having officers, dues, bylaws, etc. etc. etc. I am not against paying dues if I feel there is value. POA certainly has the value and if at some point we feel it necessary to charge dues, my check will be in the mail. With regard to officers, I don't think we need them. We have managed very well without that. I feel that we have monitored ourselves pretty well. No, we haven't always been perfect and sometimes we get off track a little, but we help each other get back to focusing on what's really important. I find that egos, etc. get in the way of the best interests of all. POA has been successful, because the owners have taken it upon themselves to participate in ways they never thought they would. Our events have been organized by a number of different people and that's what keeps it interesting. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon and helps and all of our events have been great!!! In addition, our events have always been open to any Prowler owner, being a member of any group is not a requirement. We are already on the same page here, because we are focused on our car, making friends, attending events, sharing info, having fun and cruising!!! Making money/profit has never been in the picture here.

Personally, I am not in favor of merging. Our everyday lives are based on choices, whether it be deciding which manufacturer's vehicle we want to buy, what religion we want to follow, what job or career we want to pursue, which store we want to shop at, which state we live in, which tv channel we watch, which movies we want to see, what clothes we want to wear, etc. etc. etc. Life would be pretty boring if there were no choices, wouldn't it? All Prowler Owners are already on the same page.....we all bought one, didn't we!!

Just my thoughts and feelings on the matter. Thanks for listening and thank you for asking, Brian.

posted 06-18-2001 12:09 PM                  

Give it a rest !!,,,,,,,, Get over it !!!!!

posted 06-18-2001 01:51 PM                  

quote:

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Originally posted by spoons:

This whole thing seems like politics and not about choice. We should stick together out there since there isn't a lot of us. We can live in one nation under democratic rule? All I know is its quite confussing to new members & owners.

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Spoons - Seems you are somewhat dissolutioned. You do have a choice, read one website or both. Not enough time for you, then read only the one of your choice! Politics and democratic rule - not, by choice, at the POA. If you want to elect officers, directors, and sub-directors, maybe your choice should be the other website. I see that you have lots of choices. Exercise the one best for you.

Confussing to new members(?) and owners? They also have a choice. If they bought a Prowler, own a computer, and can read and ask questions, they will be able to figure out that they can ask a question at the POA and get a quick answer. I believe these new owners will be able to make their own choice. America is Great, isn't it? Sorry if you disagree.

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Larry Salzman
Call 911 - there is a Prowler in my garage....

posted 06-18-2001 02:26 PM                  

quote:

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Originally posted by spoons:
Hey All,

Most of the Prowler Owners I talk to think it is crazy we have 2 discussion boards. Why do we have 2 Discussion Boards? I certainly do not have time to keep up with both Boards. We should work on combining them now that Nowell is out of the Picture. We would all reek the benefits of this.

- More Posts.
- Larger Registry.
- Lower Cost for Ads, which would lower product costs.
- We would all be "On the same page"!! Imagine that
- Better way to inform Prowler owners and new owners.
- and etc. ...

"Can't we all just get along" Does any one else agree with me? seems silly to me.

Thanks

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posted 06-18-2001 02:50 PM                  

Saw that, but wasn't going to be the one!! Thanks!!

posted 06-18-2001 03:36 PM                  

I drove away after I did my post thinking I may have been too harsh which tends to be the case in the view of some of me. Then I come and see nothing has changed on here. Just a different name.

It turns out there are people who just can't get on with life it seems. I was around when this site was started I believe and also when the other site was taking hits from everyone. I asked for explanations, to be informed. I talked to numerous people via e-mail, phone, and in person.
And I saw the eloquent writing, the innocent (or masked that way, even today) posts concerning this issue. The people I talked to on the phone seem to just vent with no room for hearing the other side, just seemed to want to hear themselves talk. I also saw how the other site was blackballed at the national event last year. All done with no one to witness but done non the less.

That hasn't changed I realize, it's too bad.

This site suffers from those feelings and thoughts. No matter how you mask it, it does.

There is a feeling by some to just pound the other site to non-existence, to make it quit, and all in the name of vengeance, pure and simple. That's sick.

This site started with people from the other site, minus a few who many feel were the blame for its current state.

No merge??? is there something wrong with the other site's members??? tell me.. Do they not own Prowlers? The other site is people like us, and yes I do still post there at times, it's sad for me to see it take the rap of the past.
BTW I would think the other site has many members not on computers due to the previous ads in magazines and such.

To make jabs now at the spelling, wording, is classless in my opinion.
But hey,, as someone already said,, its free speech right?

This was mine.

I'm sorry your thread is heading in the direction it is Brian. I know you meant well, and I still agree with you. But now it seems the other site should consider if it really wants to merge with this, considering the tone of the post.

This is another day this site looses some sparkle,,

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See me WAX a Roush
See me WAX a Cobra

posted 06-18-2001 04:28 PM                  

Yes, it's all about choice and the freedom to enjoy the car (or mingle, for those who do not have a Prowler, but like it anyway.) Value? Sure the POA is "free" for the members, and you get out of it what you put in. Participate and reap the rewards of a good time, up to date information on the car itself, and many friendships along the way. The POA is NOT free of costs however, and thanks to Mike and Tony and all the others who carry the financial burden of this site - THANK YOU! If ever the call goes out for dues, my check will be in the mail. To me, the car is second behind the people and good times I have shared this past year because of the POA.

Having a choice is important, just as making the decision as to where one will spend their time. I choose not to join the PPC, because I have more than enough fulfillment from the POA - without restrictions and without directors. (I don't need someone to direct what the membership will do!) Having someone who decides they want to throw a gathering together, then runs with it is enough for me. Take Deadwood for example. Larry Lord says "this is where I'm going - who wants to join in?" Look at the result. Nobody is getting rich off of this site or because someone owns the site with the same name as the car. I think it's very safe to say that everyone is here because they chose to be here, and because they are having a good time while being here. If ya ain't havin' a good time - go somewhere that you will! Not a slam, because life is too short to not enjoy yourself! Don't waste your time somewhere that you may be unhappy.

As Larry from Arizona has said, everyone has choices and no one is forcing either site on anyone. Due to political reasons within the PPC, the POA was formed. People have chosen where they will spend their time. Will it always be this way? I don't know, and I don't really care. What I do care about is that the owner's experience is a fulfilling one which the POA provides for me, something the PPC could not do.

As to your question "Can't we all just get along" ?
I think we all DO get along, - just fine - just the way things are. What the future holds? Again, I don't know. I just hope we don't lose sight of what we are all here for. I have made MY choice, and I'm darn glad there was a choice to make! You are here with your post, by your choice, but if you find more fulfillment through "the other site", then go there. Yes, it IS all about choice, and the new and future members will make their choices as well. Can't please everyone at the same time, but then having that freedom to choose makes the choice worth while!

JMO - thanks for listening...
"GPS"John

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posted 06-18-2001 04:48 PM                  

This is a great site but if you don't have a computer you don't know what is going on. If there were other communication avenues think of how many other Prowler Owners we might possibly run into.

With around 10,000 Prowlers sold to date and if you added both sites together you might have 1,000 people who participate. I think we can do much better with a single organization from Chrysler and the public. I'm sure this organization and the PPC can benifit from one another. Choices are nice but in my opinion there will never be enough Prowlers built or sold to support more than one organization.

My two cents.

posted 06-18-2001 04:49 PM                    

C.J.,Roger,Larry and John Thanks for taking the time to post your views and well done.....

I guess a merger is out of question.

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davidn

posted 06-18-2001 05:51 PM                  

No wait, I post where I post cause that's where I post. Do I wish more participated in the PPC? yes, but they don't. And I like to share my view, as you took the time to find out, to where the most people read it. Do I wish the PPC didn't go the way it did? the money deal?? absolutely. But its not that way now or steps are being taken by responsible people to make those changes.
Your quote
"I guess a merger is out of question."

That kinda says it all, open minded

Paul, I agree with your remarks on the money deal, it was way wrong. I got burnt too, but I took it to Nowell and got satisfaction. Over, done deal. But yes it was wrong. As far as the national event? ,,,,,, there are questions and answers never mentioned on here.

And I really don't know about the originator of this thread. I had hoped as I stated earlier it would not come down to bashing as is normal for this type of topic.

This is not about who is right, or was right, or xxxxxx whatever. This is about getting the word out to the most people as possible in the most positive view.

As Phil said there are many people here in Nor Cal who don't really care who is who.. If they own a Prowler or not. We get many different types at our events,

(As always folks, thanks for reading,,,,,,, )

Post number 949 I think.

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See me WAX a Roush
See me WAX a Cobra

posted 06-18-2001 07:16 PM                  

Oooouch! someone pinched me in the butt

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Larry Salzman
Call 911 - there is a Prowler in my garage....

posted 06-18-2001 07:34 PM                  

Larry you stay away from me,,,,,,,,,,

Debbie,,, get in here,,,,

I wonder if the emails will stop flying around now, lol,, sorry,, I just could'nt go to quiet,,,

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See me WAX a Roush
See me WAX a Cobra