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| Author | Topic: Westech's stroker engines |
Marty Usher          POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-07-2005 10:55 AM
    
I was starting to feel like I shouldn't keep posting answers on threads about Dean's 5.0 with info on Westech's engine development. I know Dean always puts out a quality product and stands behind it and I certainly don't want to sound like people shouldn't contact him. Both Prowler Pro and Westech are spending countless hours to give us Prowler Owner's looking for more performance a better motor package. The following are target ranges for the 2 larger engines Westech can provide. Norm hopes to eventually have a third engine, a 302 Cubic Inch Super Stroker added to his offerings, but for now he has blocks ready to build both 4.0 liter stroker and 4.3 bored & stroked motors. The 4.0 engine will target 220 - 230 RWHP (50 - 60 more thean stock) for base pricing of around $8500.00. The 4.3 will target 250 - 260 RWHP for about $12000.00. Options for both engines available will be custom headers, muffler/exhaust, and torque convertor. My 4.3 has over 27,000 miles on it and has run 13.4 - 13.8's on street tires and with new tuning should add about 10 - 15 HP (was 240) so times should drop to low 13's on a good day - maybe high 12's or 13 flat with slicks, maybe. The 4.0 I had for 15,000 miles produced 220 HP and ran 13.97 - 14.4's (in 100 degree temps). My engine is tuned to run on lower octane fuel - 87 - with only a loss of 5 HP and no knock and gets 23 MPG on the road with gears. This is great for me as a daily driver. I can put 93 Octane in it at the track and pick up extra 5 HP but save $$$ at the pump in daily driving. You can order an engine from Norm, he can build it and then do the installation in a quick turnaround time in his shop. You can reach him at: Norm Brandes Westech Automotive Silver Lake Wisconsin 262-889-4346 ------------------  This message has been edited by Marty Usher on 09-07-2005 at 10:58 AM |
St0rmBr1nger Prowler Junkie From:san diego |
posted 09-07-2005 01:24 PM
The 4.0 engine will target 220 - 230 RWHP (50 - 60 more thean stock) for base pricing of around $8500.00
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-07-2005 02:50 PM
Anybody interested should really contact Norm directly. I don't want to pass on any miss information - my understanding is he has purchased a quantity of new blocks and basic pricing included engine swap and tuning at his shop. If you want keep your original block or have him rebuild your original block (which will increase the time frame), you will have to negoiate the pricing with him. |
Kraut  POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Plymouth, MI |
posted 09-07-2005 07:14 PM
Marty, Thanks for the information. That's more than I've seen from anyone else on the subject. Unfortunately, this is going to be way more than I can afford. |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-07-2005 09:22 PM
quote: Yep - it costs $$$ to play. I tried to go the cheap route with nitrous (and cheap plugs) and paid the price with a damaged engine. It really is cheaper to get more speed with a whole lot of other cars. It's too bad they don't look as cool as the Prowler To put some perspective to the costs. A Paxton Supercharger including instalation is around the $8500 mark of the 4.0 motor. Ida Automotive starts the twin turbo install at $10,000 with nothing done to stock internal parts and no intercooler. |
1buddyc POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio Texas USA |
posted 09-07-2005 11:37 PM
A Wise Drag Racer from Malvern Pa. told me a LONG time ago "There is NO substitute for Cubic Inches"...and he is still right. |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-08-2005 03:01 PM
quote: Well I can tell you the 4.0 was faster than the stock 3.5 and the 4.3 is faster than the 4.0! |
dbudner Prowler Junkie From:Dallas, Ga. USA |
posted 09-09-2005 01:51 PM
quote: How fast do you want to go = How much money do you have (HF*HM$)*2 I believe the formula is |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-09-2005 02:02 PM
I can tell you that I agree with John Davies statement on another thread about if you want to go really fast, maybe the Prowler is not the car you want. I am quite happy being able to run witht he C5 Corvettes and even beat a 2005 Viper in the 1/8 mile. That said, the V8 Mustangs, TransAms, Corvettes, Camaros and others can be made into 9 or 10 second cars for the money it takes to make a Prowler a high 11 of 12 second car. Maybe over time that will change and the cost for a fast cat will be less. It's just too bad none of those other cars look so cool as our Prowlers!! ------------------ |
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1buddyc POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio Texas USA |
posted 09-09-2005 04:45 PM
You're right Marty. You can find all those other cars on every corner.... Not so the Prowler! Buddy |
embe POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Nashville, TN |
posted 09-09-2005 10:10 PM
Marty, the prices you named, do they include any work to the heads or cams, or block only? |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-12-2005 07:30 PM
As others have stated on posts about Dean's 5.0, I highly suggest you contact Norm to get definitive answers. He2 can be reached at 262 889-4346. I would assume on the 4.0 and 4.3 heads and cams would both be reworked to work better with the stroked crank. I believe Norm starts with blanks of stock DC cranks and machines them to his specs. That is what he was doing with cams- buying blanks, sending them out to be ground to his specs, then sent somewhre else to be hardened, then back to be polished. Norm can answer your techinical questions - call him. I am sure he will be glad to talk with you. |
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embe POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Nashville, TN |
posted 09-13-2005 05:43 PM
Thanks, Marty! |
Steve T  POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Weatherford,Texas,USA |
posted 09-14-2005 04:27 PM
Marty - Did you have to do any work on your tranny when you installed the stroker? |
Marc-Colo-99 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Aurora, Colorado |
posted 09-14-2005 06:53 PM
Steve, answering for myself, stock tranny for 4 years with nitrous and now 5.0 Stroker and so far no problems. |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-15-2005 08:08 AM
Steve - tranny is still stock. A torque convertor may be in my future however. It seems 3rd to 4th is the problem area and I don't hit that shift at the track in a quarter mile so WOT shifts, although not avoided, are only occasional. |
dpena    POA Site Supporter Administrating Kat Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement Personal ScrapBook From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara |
posted 09-15-2005 10:49 AM
Same here, I got 30K miles making 300+ (Supercharged 11.5 lbs boost) at the rear wheels and no problems yet with my tranny. Ever since I sold my Saleen, my prowler has turned into my daily driver which I kinda hate some times. Later... ------------------ |
Randy Hamilton      POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:tempe, AZ usa |
posted 09-17-2005 02:01 PM
Marty Thanks for the info on your stroker motor. I live in Arizona and am considering a stroker but am concerned about any cooling issues. Have you had to change your cooling system to accommodate your stroker motor? Thanks Randy Hamilton |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-17-2005 09:23 PM
No changes to the cooling system on my car. |
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condor Prowler Junkie From:Frankfurt a.M. , Hessen, Germany |
posted 09-27-2005 01:38 PM
$ 8500 to over $ 12000 is a lot of money to push the org. engine. More cubic inches are nice. But I would choose a different engine, like a LS-1 ore LS-2 V8.. You can get them new for under $ 6000.- GM offers since this month the 6L60/6 speed tiptronic transmission. So, 6Liter/450hp all aluminum V8 (almost same weight as prower engine)with 6speed auto tiptronic trans would be the perfect prowler set up. Conversion sets for Street Rods with this set up will be on the market early 2006. If you want to stay DaimlerChrysler, the 425hp Hemi will do the work. I think we will see more Custom-Prowlers with late models V8 in the future. If someone offers a easy to install" V8 conversion set to a fair price for a Prowler, he will find a lot customers. Anyway, I like your Prowler 4.0 - 5.0 engines a lot. This message has been edited by condor on 09-27-2005 at 01:42 PM |
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Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 09-27-2005 02:31 PM
condor - the problems with converting to V8s are many. Not enough room in the engine bay, much more weight, no one has developed a patch to link the ECU computer with other engines and trannies. Trying to fit the rest of the drive train would take a lot of work. Lingenfelter (sp?) put a Corvette engine in a Prowler for a reported $80,000. A fellow in Michigan has one but have seen no cost estimates. At least with keeping with the same block you don't have to re-engineer ECU, transmission and other drive train components. But - you are correct - if someone figures out a package to do it that is reasonable, there will be a market for it. |
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condor Prowler Junkie From:Frankfurt a.M. , Hessen, Germany |
posted 09-27-2005 04:29 PM
The Prowler I saw had a LS-1 in it and the corvette rear with trans. This was a bigger operation. But, to put a small block in the Prowler is not a very complicated thing.A small block is not a lot bigger than the Prowler V6. A basic 350HP SB will be enough and we can connect it with the org. Prowler trans. Marty, you right, the big problem will be to get the prowler trans with a different engine (what ever) working. For this, you have to have a computer specialist. We bought 2 month before 2 LS Alu V8s new, $6250 with custom comp. black box each, for a 1936 Ford and a 67" Camaro. The US-parts aftermarket is so big, that its easy and not so expensive to get this 2 Hot Rods on the road with this up to date engines for 2006. I´m very happy with my org. Prowler (engine) so fare. Because it runs without any problems and that saves me time for my Street Rod Project. This is one of the reasons why I bought the Prowler. I was in the past days very quick in our mountain pass street around frankfurt on tour. The Handling of the Kat around corners is very good, I test out more and more the limmits of the prowler-chassis. I have disconnected the front stabilizer for 3 month now, the Kat rund with more comfort and feels saver on bad pavement roads. Maybe I start to invest" in some Prowler Performance next year. |
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