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HawaiiHaze       POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Kailua, Hawaii, USA |
posted 06-28-2019 03:52 PM
    
Hi all, I recall there being prior threads noting the torque for new ball joints should be different that what was in the service manuals (a service bulletin had been issued at some point in the past, but some dealers may not be aware of it). I recently bought a set of Rare Parts ball joints and plan to have my local Chrysler shop install them for me in the next couple of months. Are there any particular instructions I should give the shop to ensure these ball joints are installed correctly? Mahalo in advance! |
padroo      POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 06-29-2019 06:07 AM
I would contact Rare Parts for installation instructions. Mostly what you would get here would be opinions and you know what they say about opinions. Lol |
CAT-A-TONIC POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:santa clara, california, us |
posted 06-29-2019 11:55 AM
The factory service manual had a mistake regarding torque on one of the front ball joints. It was listed as the NM's value. But who ever wrote the manual swapped around the NW and lb ft and the NM's which are of a higher numeral was listed as lb ft. When the factory released it's TSB on the replacement lower ball joints the INCORRECT torque value was in there as well. It's been a while since I have looked so I will look today and get back with this topic. By the way....the incorrect value is in other parts of the manual as well regarding service when pertaining to front end disassembly and reassembly. |
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CAT-A-TONIC POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:santa clara, california, us |
posted 06-29-2019 11:57 AM
One other thing.....as far as the Rare Parts replacement ball joints, I don't recall there being a different torque value than what the factory called for. Problem was incorrect torque of upper ball joint. They had the upper torque value as 95 lbs. INCORRECT! Proper value, 65lbs. Lower ball joint torque value, 70lbs. Job of replacing lower ball joints can be done without removing upper ball joint. In other words you DO NOT have to remove the steering knuckle to replace lowers. This message has been edited by CAT-A-TONIC on 06-29-2019 at 01:56 PM |
ed monahan          POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 06-29-2019 06:19 PM
quote: That is absolutely correct. They did my lowers without removing either knuckle. |
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HawaiiHaze POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Kailua, Hawaii, USA |
posted 07-01-2019 02:12 AM
Thanks, everyone. Super-helpful!! |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-20-2019 05:07 PM
Tomorrow morning I am having the REAR ball joints replaced as well as the UPPER FRONT ball joints, from Rare Parts. I don't have any other information at this time. I have no idea of price or when production will start. I am just letting you know that parts will be available fairly soon. These are the prototypes being installed tomorrow by a Prowler Tech. |
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Mulholland 01 Prowler Junkie From:West Palm beach |
posted 08-20-2019 05:26 PM
Do you know if you need the removal tool to be able to remove the lower ball joint without damage to the A-Arm?? or can it be done without it?? Thanks This message has been edited by Mulholland 01 on 08-20-2019 at 05:41 PM |
Richnew41 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Wind Gap , PA, United States |
posted 08-20-2019 06:27 PM
Ed... Rare parts is now making the rear ball joints and front uppers?... That would be fantastic news!!! Is that true? |
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Mulholland 01 Prowler Junkie From:West Palm beach |
posted 08-20-2019 07:16 PM
Waiting also as I’m looking to replace all as well... |
401KAT POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:dequincy, Louisiana, United States |
posted 08-20-2019 08:52 PM
quote: Sounds like Ed has the prototypes.... |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-20-2019 09:21 PM
You need the removal tool. I don't know that it is UNIQUE to the Prowler but it is basically a large, round spacer, or tube. Posted above. I don't have any other information at this time. I have no idea of price or when production will start. I am just letting you know that parts will be available fairly soon. |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-21-2019 11:39 AM
The good news is the front uppers went in without a hitch. I will post some pics later. Ernie had never done any rears and when he looked at it, he told me it was MAJOR surgery. He had to take out the axles and several other parts. It might be a 5 or 6 hour job. I don't know that I need them and I am not going to put out the $ for a 5 or 6 hour labor charge. Sooooo does anyone else need rear ball joints. You can have the parts free but you will need to take some photos and post them afterward. There might be a slight glitch with the grease fitting cap. The OEM has a groove in the top of the ball joint and the new one does not. I don't want to break the cap but I need to clean up the old one to see how it is different. Not sure yet. |
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Mulholland 01 Prowler Junkie From:West Palm beach |
posted 08-21-2019 11:54 AM
Glad the uppers went in smooth.. Looking forward to seeing some pics. |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-21-2019 01:20 PM
New UPPER ball joint installed. 
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-21-2019 01:23 PM
New on the left and the OEM on the right. UPPER front ball joints. 
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-21-2019 01:25 PM
Just before pressing out the old OEM ball joint. 
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garysss POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Baltimore, MD, United States |
posted 08-21-2019 01:45 PM
How many miles on this Prowler Ed? I don't recall anyone ever replacing rear ball joints, but on another thread about Miller Tool Kit there is a special tool for removing rear lower ball joint stud from lower control arm. Just wondering if that tool would make job easier. This message has been edited by garysss on 08-21-2019 at 01:56 PM |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-21-2019 04:49 PM
About 70,000, maybe a little more. He has the tool kit, of course since he is a Prowler Tech. That dealership got snuffed out and he bought a 4 bay shop nearby. They are all from the dealership so they all know what they are doing. He doesn't recall every doing upper fronts or rears. Someone was looking for upper fronts a year or so ago. They need a minor tweaking to be exactly the same as OEM but I am not concerned about the grease fitting cap. |
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garysss POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Baltimore, MD, United States |
posted 08-21-2019 06:57 PM
Thanks Ed. I remember someone asking about uppers, I think he might have been having front end chromed or something and was going to put new uppers when doing the lowers. I don't think his uppers were bad. It is always good to have options for uppers and rears. |
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garysss POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Baltimore, MD, United States |
posted 08-21-2019 06:58 PM
Thanks Ed. I remember someone asking about uppers, I think he might have been having front end chromed or something and was going to put new uppers when doing the lowers. I don't think his uppers were bad. It is always good to have options for uppers and rears. |
mslc10 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bulverde, TX, US |
posted 08-21-2019 07:52 PM
I though there was a joint that wasn’t replaceable, you needed to buy the a arm.......? I thought it was rears.....? |
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401KAT POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:dequincy, Louisiana, United States |
posted 08-21-2019 08:04 PM
Doesnt bother me Ed but bet some are going to be concerned about that taper on the new joint shaft...I have all the faith in rare parts stuff...jim
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-21-2019 08:29 PM
I didn't design them. I am not pushing them. I am not making money from the sale of them. ( I got free parts but paid $$ to get them installed, and I didn't need them) so everyone can make their own decisions and it won't affect my life at all. I am sure some won't like the fact that the cap can't be used, at this point, at least. I am just happy that we can now get ball joints and radiators, which is a huge change from a year ago. |
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401KAT POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:dequincy, Louisiana, United States |
posted 08-21-2019 09:17 PM
oh I totally agree...
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