posted 01-09-2008 02:26 PM                  

and there are instructions at www.prowlerpro.com

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posted 01-09-2008 06:20 PM                  

Dean from Prowler Pro came on the scene first with these gears. You can refer to my Prowler Pro gear page install.
http://www.prowlerexcitement.com/ProwlerPro/MainPage.htm

There is a mixed controversy with Prowler Pro and G-Force gears but know the idea was conceived by Dean at Prowler Pro and then thru G-Force private contacts and resources a knock off was produced. The G-Force individuals will debate that competition is what America is all about but being that Prowler performance vendors are few, the way G-Force gears were brought onto the scene violated all professional and moral business tactics.

Dean at Prowler Pro had or was doing a lawsuit against the responsible individuals who drove this initiative. There is background debate that the individuals responsible for producing the G-Force Gears should not sell those on the POA period due to the way they introduced and managed their marketing strategy on the POA.

You now have both Prowler Pro and G-Force gear owners so this topic will always be a heated debate due to the fan base for both the original Prowler Pro gear and the knock off G-Force gear.

posted 01-09-2008 06:55 PM                  

Were it not for Tony Goertz and his G-Force Gears,,,everyone would STILL be paying $2400.00 to get a set of gears.
Thank you Tony for helping the Prowler owners to enjoy their cars at one half the cost.

Knock off. That's funny.
With lots of red and silver metallic I'll bet.

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posted 01-10-2008 07:42 AM                  

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Originally posted by Larry Lord:

Knock off. That's funny.
With lots of red and silver metallic I'll bet.

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posted 01-10-2008 07:51 AM                  

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Originally posted by Larry Lord:
Just a little side note here.

Were it not for Tony Goertz and his G-Force Gears,,,everyone would STILL be paying $2400.00 to get a set of gears.
Thank you Tony for helping the Prowler owners to enjoy their cars at one half the cost.

Knock off. That's funny.
With lots of red and silver metallic I'll bet.

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posted 01-10-2008 08:03 AM                    

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Originally posted by dpena:
d'niro,

Dean from Prowler Pro came on the scene first with these gears. You can refer to my Prowler Pro gear page install.
http://www.prowlerexcitement.com/ProwlerPro/MainPage.htm

There is a mixed controversy with Prowler Pro and G-Force gears but know the idea was conceived by Dean at Prowler Pro and then thru G-Force private contacts and resources a knock off was produced. The G-Force individuals will debate that competition is what America is all about but being that Prowler performance vendors are few, the way G-Force gears were brought onto the scene violated all professional and moral business tactics.

Dean at Prowler Pro had or was doing a lawsuit against the responsible individuals who drove this initiative. There is background debate that the individuals responsible for producing the G-Force Gears should not sell those on the POA period due to the way they introduced and managed their marketing strategy on the POA.

You now have both Prowler Pro and G-Force gear owners so this topic will always be a heated debate due to the fan base for both the original Prowler Pro gear and the knock off G-Force gear.

Later...

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So Dan let me see if I got this right,,,,,Dean can copy anything he wants but NO ONE should ever copy Dean? GOT IT!

posted 01-10-2008 08:06 AM                  

talk about hitting the nail on the head!

posted 01-10-2008 10:15 AM                  

No you did not get it straight. So sorry you were unable to understand what I was talking about on my post. I know you have been here long enough to know what went down on the gears? The ones who have been here since 1999 know the truth especially Mr. Lord but I know I'm just pushing more buttons. There is no correct way of posting these topics because it will always be incorrect.

I guess the objective here is an eye for an eye so no viable solution will ever be found to these posting wars.

I understand thought how it works... You stick to who you have developed relationships with and protect them.

posted 01-10-2008 10:20 AM                  

You know what would be a cool site, a site that would spell out the real truth about all these posting wars at all levels. Kinda like snoops.

This way we could reference this site and find out who was lying their face off and who was actually being truthful.

Alot of this craziness would be put to rest. Nah, now that I think about it, it would not... It is all about the controversy.

It would be a very cool site though!!

posted 01-10-2008 01:53 PM                  

Rich

posted 01-10-2008 02:36 PM                  

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Originally posted by RADCAT RICH:
Both work great, there is NO debate on that, i personally have Deans Prowler Pro Gears.
They ARE NOT Identical !
ProwlerPro is approx 27% higher than factory final drive and has better torque , really kicks in 2nd gear torque
I believe that Tonys is 24% not much diff there.
There is a diff in size of the chain Width
stock (2chains)= 1.25"
deans ( one chain)= 1.75" (result 40% more contact area)
Tonys (1 chain as well) = 1.5"
The drive and the driven gears have different # of teeth on the gears:
Deans : 25/drive(smaller Gear) , and 35/driven (lg gear)
Tonys : 22 drive .............., and 30 "
** what that corresponds to is increased torque and better surface area.
Where they differ as well is the shift points compared to stock.
I am not replying on any debate of copy, there differences truly come out in the specs..... But,...
will you feel the diff? i dont know, but by specs alone Deans are better, but Again, Both are constructed well and Both have higher tensile strength than stock , and you will SEE/ feel the diff than stock on both of them as well as rpms
I hope this clarifys things a bit for you Nic

Rich

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Thanks Rich....I did not know that there were different specs....

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posted 01-10-2008 03:09 PM                  

From August 2003

Details:

Stock Prowler has a 31 tooth (drive) and 34 tooth (driven) gear set. This is a 1.09:1 ratio

G-Force performance gears have a 39 tooth (drive) and 28 tooth (driven). This is a 1.4:1 ratio

Net effect is a final drive ratio which is 27 % higher than factory.

G-Force performance gears are 1-3/4 " wide with a single OEM chain.

Shift points will be at a 27 % lower speed with no change in engine rpm.

Engine rpm at any given speed will be 27 % higher with G-Force gears installed.
ie at 50mph engine rpm of 1475 will be become 1875 rpm with the gears installed.

Installation instructions and electronic speedometer adapter documentation included

Also at that time Tony stated the following.

We continue to offer the Stage-II Performance gears as "High Output" gears for engines with increased HP , Superchargers and/or NOS systems

I believe these Stage-II gears were the 24% higher than factory and they were higher priced.

http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001758.html
http://www.prowler.ca/gears.html

From April 2003

G-Force Stage-II Performance Gears have been released. Stage-II gears provide a 24% change in final drive ratio. (27% on previous gear sets) For 1/4 mile runs, this means your car will NOT want to shift out of 3rd until farther down the track.
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000922.html

posted 01-10-2008 03:53 PM                  

Gear Ratios:
When referring to Rear end ratio we must be sure we are comparing
"apples to apples."
American muscle cars used to have a Top gear ratio of 1.00 to 1.00.
So comparing differential gear ratios made sense
Differential Ratio = Final Drive Ratio.
However, with today's cars 4th gear is overdrive (< 1.00 to 1.00).
So when calculating Stock Prowlers FINAL DRIVE RATIO =
Differential Ratio x 4th gear Ratio = 3.89 x .69 = 2.68
Prowler ProTM gears increase the Final Drive ratio by 27 %.
So PROWLER PROTM FINAL DRIVE RATIO = 2.68 x 1.27 = 3.42

Dimensions and Strength:
Chain width stock 2 chains at 0.625" = 1.25" Chain width Prowler ProTM = 1.75" 40% more contact area
Cruisability:
RPM @ 80mph in 4th gear stock = 2400 RPM @ 80mph in 4th gear Prowler ProTM = 3100
Shift Points: stock 1st gear to 2nd = 48 mph Prowler ProTM 1st gear to 2nd = 37 mph stock 2nd to 3rd = 89 mph Prowler ProTM 2nd gear to 3rd = 71 mph

posted 01-10-2008 04:14 PM                  

Stock Gears = Chain 1.25" Double chain. 31 tooth drive, 35 tooth driven, 1.09:1

G Force = Chain 1.75" Single Chain. 28 tooth drive, 39 tooth driven, 1.39:1

Prowler Pro = Chain 1.75" Single Chain. 25 tooth drive, 35 tooth driven, 1.40:1

posted 01-10-2008 04:30 PM                    

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Originally posted by BeWare:
Bottom line comparison

Stock Gears = Chain 1.25" Double chain. 31 tooth drive, 35 tooth driven, 1.09:1

G Force = Chain 1.75" Single Chain. 28 tooth drive, 39 tooth driven, 1.39:1

Prowler Pro = Chain 1.75" Single Chain. 25 tooth drive, 35 tooth driven, 1.40:1

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posted 01-10-2008 06:01 PM                  

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Originally posted by Snoman:

Are you saying Dean did not copy my car?

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Sno > Honestly,,,,I'm not totally sure Dan is aware of the story on your Silver/CandyRed cat paint scheme being copied?

posted 01-10-2008 07:44 PM                    

quote:

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Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
Sno > Honestly,,,,I'm not totally sure Dan is aware of the story on your Silver/CandyRed cat paint scheme being copied?

[B]While many of us understood what you were saying, and why, many others don't know the story..............[/B]

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Got it!

posted 01-11-2008 03:15 PM                  

Parts List:

Large gear-35-tooth transfer sprocket

posted 01-12-2008 01:52 PM                  

Here is just one of the responses from one of the threads...

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Here's what I have found out on this topic. The gears are from the OEM, which is the same place that ProwlerPro gets their gears. I believe that G-Force has purchased a larger quantity, therefore getting a better price break. Borg Warner did all the testing in their own labs, since they are the ones building the same (or similar) transmision(s) for other Chrysler vehicles. ProwlerPro was just the ones that either initiated the higher gear ratio, or was the first one to actually put them into the Prowler (?). I've also been told Borg Warner holds the patten on the "silent running" chain, and they are the only manufacturer of it. All of this depends on what story, and from whom you heard it from, and what all you personally want to believe.

Someone stated earlier - "its business." How many people sell the same gear ratio's for an 8-3/4 Mopar rear end? Most of them are probably made by the same vendor, just packaged & marketed differently. Supply, demand & pricing strategy. This land of opportunity that we live in is all about "what the market will bare" and the lead "time to market." My last employer stated this - "bookings & shipments, that all I care about!" Are you people jealous because you paid more? Or because life (business) isn't fare?

It took over a week to get a response from ProwlerPro on their gear sets. They must have been to busy taking care of (potentially over) paying customers? If I had the money to flaunt like some of you people obviously do, I'd gladly drive my car 2000+ miles (each way) to have ProwlerPro work on it, when & if they could fit it in their schedule. But, since not all of us are rich & famous, we MAY have to shop around for more affordable solutions. Nothing personal to any one person or business, just fact.

I believe that this website is for the Prowler Enthusiast's, which I believe we ALL are. So why don't we all stop whining about how other people make profit from our own extravagances, and just enjoy the "Prowler." And we should all stop worrying about how the rest of the world is "keeping up with the Jones's."

My car is the 517th Prowler produced for the public, which means I paid a hell of a lot more for it (well over 3 years ago) than the person that bought their's last week. I'm not going to whine about being the first kid on the block with a new toy, but I will whine about the Customer Service from the DC dealerships, which is another topic I'm sure we all can add to.

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