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Ed W. Prowler Junkie From:Port Huron, MI USA |
posted 07-01-2007 09:23 PM
    
Was coming home from work Friday afternoon, approaching a traffic signal downtown. The dash idiot light Check Gage came on, then the car quit!. I pushed it around the corner, waited a couple of minutes,& turned the key to start. Nothing. Found a towing company who would flat bed it to our house using the nylon tie down straps as Chrysler recommends. Waiting a half hour before the tow truck got there, I hit the key again. This time, it fired right up, ran for about three seconds & quit. Today, I hit the key & backed it out of the garage into the street to turn it around. It ran fine as I backed it into the garage. Yeah, I know I'll have to take it to the dealership. Ten years old & 25K miles, they'll have a field day with me! Here is what I'm working with. Oil is down about 1/2 pint. Any ideas? This message has been edited by Ed W. on 07-21-2007 at 02:58 PM |
JohnC   POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Kechi, KS 67067 |
posted 07-01-2007 09:35 PM
Do you have any friends that have a scanalyzer tool? All U.S. cars manufactured after 1996 have an on-board diagnostics port, usually located under the drivers side knee/kick panel. A scanalyzer connects to this port and can read all diagnostic trouble codes (DTC) stored in your car's computer. In most cases, you can look up the DTC code on the internet to find out what it means and the most likely cause. I have a ScanGuage that I purchased off the internet (http://www.scangauge.com/) and it has become an invaluble part of my tool collection. Unfortunately, it's also become pretty valuable to my friends too who are always asking to borrow it! I know it probably doesn't do you a lot of good now, but depending on how many cars you own, and if you do your own wrenching, I highly recommend picking one up. JohnC · Kechi, KS |
1buddyc      POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio Texas USA |
posted 07-01-2007 09:39 PM
Do you have one of the Aftermarket Air Cleaners? I know some have had problems with the big wire loom on the Passenger side rubbing along the body structure near the bottom of the Air Cleaner Inlet and in front of the Passenger Door. You'll have to take off the Passenger side Side Panel to really get a look at it... You'll see the harness I'm talking about when the Side Panel is off. Sometime the wires in the bundle get pinched or tweaked just enough to cause a problem. And, the problem you describe sounds Electrical to me. Good Luck! |
gadster          POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Vineland,NJ USA |
posted 07-01-2007 09:42 PM
ed; have had similar problems. this did not show up in the diagnostic test at the dealer. have you replaced your battery?? even though i changed mine last summer,the dealer put in a new one this past november and that did the trick. i hope this helps!!!gad |
WildBill POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:United States of America, USA |
posted 07-01-2007 10:27 PM
Sounds like she went into LIMP mode... Computer issues. Maybe a sensor. I will bring this post to the attention of two owners I know this happened to & will respond with information if they aren't able to. Good Luck Ed. WildBill |
SuperDave  POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Murphy, Texas |
posted 07-01-2007 11:38 PM
My 1997 did the same thing a few years ago. The car would simply die with no warning or other symptom except the check engine light. Everything electrical worked but the starter would not engage for approximately 30 minutes. After that time the car would start and run fine, sometimes it would go weeks between issues. Neal, the local Prowler Tech (and the only guy that touches my Prowler!), found the issue to be a short in the main wiring harness. I'll call him tomorrow and will ask him to post the details here. He's a great guy, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell you the details! Dave |
WildCat   POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:North Louisville, Indiana, USA |
posted 07-01-2007 11:50 PM
kind of sounds like Dale Beamans problem going to Tulsa we ended up umloading my car from my trailer, towing his car up to the trailer with my Prowler and wincing it in. Hauled it the last 40 miles, would not restart. Next morning at the dodge dealer it started, he drove it home. It showed no code at the dealer. Bob Longstreth thought possibly the fuel pump with Dales, good luck finding the problem. My car never died on me but became very hard to start when warm, cold start just fine. I had to crank it and push down on throttle 2~3 times to get it to start. If it happens again start it like an old carb engine, crank it a few times for 5~10 seconds and see if it will fire. if it does change the fuel pump. I ordered the one out of Texas, it is actually for an SRT 4, not a direct replacement, but just have to change the connecting pins. Good Luck finding the problem. This message has been edited by WildCat on 07-01-2007 at 11:51 PM |
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mspe01 Prowler Junkie From:flint |
posted 07-02-2007 07:12 AM
Ed dose your friend at tuffy have a machine to hook up to your cat, my repair guy said he could hook it up but its kinda far over here,we could haul it over in my trailer if you want call me |
joe cat Prowler Junkie From:Lancaster, Pa, USA |
posted 07-02-2007 07:31 AM
Just 3 days ago, my friend had THE EXACT SAME THING OCCUR. He bought the car from Texas (hot state), it's a 2001. Then he had it shipped to FLA. (hot state) and he came out of a club, and whammy the same thing- dash lights, windows would go up and not down. Blinking lights- The whole bit! FIX: NEW BATTERY- ONE or a couple of cells in the battery was/went or were going bad! PS it was the original battery! Good Luck and let us know- Are you working with the original battery??? Joe CAt This message has been edited by joe cat on 07-02-2007 at 07:32 AM |
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Ed W. Prowler Junkie From:Port Huron, MI USA |
posted 07-02-2007 08:52 AM
I believe the battery is a replacement (nothing MOPAR anywhere on it). The "GREEN indicator dot on the top indicates battery is good. FWIW: The battery has been in the car since I purchased it five years ago. At that time, the car had 1,045 miles on it. This message has been edited by Ed W. on 07-02-2007 at 08:52 AM |
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mspe01 Prowler Junkie From:flint |
posted 07-02-2007 08:58 AM
Ed I stopped by my guys shop his snap on diagnostic machine would not read my engine hope its the battery good luck |
TLRandall POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:CALDWELL, TX, US |
posted 07-02-2007 02:15 PM
A 5 year old battery, I vote BATTERY |
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Gene POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St.Petersburg,Fl USA |
posted 07-02-2007 02:29 PM
If the check eng.lite came on there should be a code to read. |
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Ed W. Prowler Junkie From:Port Huron, MI USA |
posted 07-02-2007 03:11 PM
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phil2237 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:PLACENTIA CALIFORNIA |
posted 07-02-2007 03:24 PM
Just because the GREEN is shown on your battery, It could still be bad as that green eye is only monitoring 1 cell out of 6 |
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Ed W. Prowler Junkie From:Port Huron, MI USA |
posted 07-02-2007 05:52 PM
Good point Phil. My battery guy said the "green" eye is nothing more than a hydrometer that barely measures the acid level. The latest update is that I replaced the battery. My go-to guy who sells batteries was not willing to sell me a replacement as my battery passed a "load" test with flying colors, in spite of it's age. So he loaned me a new one (produced last month) for a week, even though he felt my issues were elsewhere. What I noticed right off the bat was with the ignition "on" (but the engine not running, the volt gage read between 13 & 14 volts. When the car quit running, the gage showed 12. Not much to dwell on here, but it is a difference. I still don't have a clue what the issues really are, & to be truthful, I'm reluctant to drive it very far. As you all know, this is a killer for a Prowler owner. I have little faith in the local Chrysler dealership (@ $80 per hour, what's the hurry to fix something off warranty)! |
Northern Cat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada |
posted 07-02-2007 06:22 PM
My Vote is on a bad Battery Ground Cable ..common problem |
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Ed W. Prowler Junkie From:Port Huron, MI USA |
posted 07-02-2007 06:30 PM
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bjprowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Clarksville,Ohio,USA |
posted 07-02-2007 06:31 PM
If your battery is 5 years old,you're probably living on "borrowed time" anyhow....I say go ahead and change the battery....If it doesn't correct the problem, you've still done something that needed to be done.... |
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Ed W. Prowler Junkie From:Port Huron, MI USA |
posted 07-02-2007 08:26 PM
quote: And that's just the way I looked at it. |
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Ed W. Prowler Junkie From:Port Huron, MI USA |
posted 07-02-2007 08:28 PM
quote: No non factory pieces on this car. Removing the side panel sounds like a preventive maintenance RX, to me & worthy of the effort. Thanks ! |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 07-02-2007 08:43 PM
Ed, on the NEG battery cable, FEEL the entire length. Sometimes they rub on the battery case itself and friction causes the case to rub away and create a short. You cannot see it if it is under the cable, the most likely place but you can feel it. |
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Ed W. Prowler Junkie From:Port Huron, MI USA |
posted 07-02-2007 09:04 PM
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 07-02-2007 10:01 PM
a ck.engine lite will not always set a code,unless it comes on and stays on.a ck guage lite will not set a code its not supposed to.its telling you to look at your guages,bcause there is a problem.your problem is in the wiring harness.mine did same thing and problem was solved.dale beaman has the same problem.it just hasn't acted up again ,but it will sooner or later.do not go out and buy a battery.do not buy a fuel pump.the problem is in the main harness.there are 2 locations where the harness is under stress causing a squashed wire effect/aka short.this problem applies to all prowlers it needs to be checked some harness are put in to tight or the wrong place.take off both side panels.on the left the wire loom comes out of the firewall and goes down along the side cowl sharp edge and then turns toward the frt of the car and goes to the relay center.check where its up against the cowl to see if its cut thru yet.if yes fix .if not but its up against the cowl,cut the ties loose and move it away from the cowl and retie in a different spot.-----on the rt side where the loom makes a 90 as it comes out of the pcm is the other problem area.take bolts where pcm mounts and remove 2 of them and swivel pcm up and it will take pressure off wire loom.when you drill 2 new holes for pcm do not drill thru the wsw res.these are the 2 spots i ,there could be others.your problem is definitely electrical.also take the loom and kind of knead the wires to loosen them up in the loom. ------------------ This message has been edited by catfish on 07-02-2007 at 10:22 PM |
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joe cat Prowler Junkie From:Lancaster, Pa, USA |
posted 07-06-2007 06:46 AM
Ed W. Any news on the "big fix".
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