posted 01-31-2018 01:23 PM                  

Private payrolls grow by 234,000 in January, vs 185,000 expected: ADP/Moody's Analytics

•Private companies hired 234,000 jobs in January, well above expectations for 185,000, according to ADP and Moody's Analytics.
•Service-related industries led with 212,000 new jobs; manufacturing added 12,000 and construction 9,000.
•The report often differs significantly from the government's more closely watched nonfarm payrolls count, with ADP reporting growth of 242,000 in December vs. the Labor Department's 148,000.
http://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/private-jobs-up-234k-in-january-vs-185k-est-adp-moodys-analytics.html

Pay Rises At Fastest Pace Since '08
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-31/trumps-first-year-saw-americans-compensation-rise-fastest-pace-2008

posted 02-05-2018 01:49 PM                  

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Originally posted by Landscape Doctor:
No way of predicting the future. I am still young so in it for the long haul. If you are retirement age,,, just be mindfull. This has been one fabulous ride that I hope continues. A dip will happen,, big question is when????

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posted 02-08-2018 11:04 AM                  

We're all feeling this pain. It will recover over time.

Remember, Market was up 259 Percent under Obama.

posted 02-08-2018 11:34 AM                  

...election day 2008, Dow was 9,600

...inauguration day 2009, Dow was 7,900

...60 days later, March 2009, Dow was 6,600

...2013 Dow (4 years later) recovered to previous highs of 14k

...slowest economic recovery in 70 years

...actual increase (not recovery) was from 14k to approximately 18k, approximately 30% in 8 years, or less than 4% annual increase on average

...2017, 8k increase in a year, or 40 % (10 times previous annual rates)

posted 02-08-2018 01:18 PM                  

Sure sounded good,,,until I read:

Quote: "...election day 2008, Dow was 9,600

...inauguration day 2009, Dow was 7,900

...60 days later, March 2009, Dow was 6,600

...2013 Dow (4 years later) recovered to previous highs of 14k

...slowest economic recovery in 70 years

...actual increase (not recovery) was from 14k to approximately 18k, approximately 30% in 8 years, or less than 4% annual increase on average"
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posted 02-08-2018 02:00 PM                  

FACT up 259%. Pulling out of the worst recession since the Great Depression. A major accomplishment.

Post was on taking responsible for what you say and claim, good and bad.

Some never take responsibility and can only deflect.

How's your 401k ?.... Donald Trump

posted 02-08-2018 03:36 PM                  

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Originally posted by Tomcal:

Post was on taking responsible for what you say and claim, good and bad.

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Glad to hear you say that you're willing to take responsibility for what you say cuz your 259% claim is pure crap!

If we go election day to election day (give or take), here's what we get:

DOW closing
Nov 1, 2008 - 13567
Nov 8, 2016 - 18332

My math sez that's a gain of 35.12% in 8 years, or an annualized gain of 4.39%

posted 02-08-2018 09:36 PM                  

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Originally posted by cstall:

But hey, if YOU made 259% during the Obama years, that's great. Must've invested in welfare stocks :-)

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posted 02-09-2018 08:53 PM                  

Clearly, some posters know nothing about US Stock Market or how performance is calculated.

To believe that US Stock Market is made up of only 30 Dow component company show pure ignorance of equity markets.

Equities include DOW, S&P 500, and NASDAQ to name just a few. Numbers may or may not include dividend reinvestment which effect results by some percent points.

Further, if you don't understand Annualized returns versus
Cumulative returns you shouldn't be posting junk numbers.

Perhaps the best way to enlighten the unenlightened is to go to a Professional source below.

From Money Magazine....
(Start quote)

"Slow and disappointing are hardly words you would use to describe the stock market’s performance under the outgoing president.(Obama)

Since Obama’s first inauguration on Jan. 20, 2009, U.S. equities have surged 12% a year, not counting dividends, in what turned out to be the second-longest bull market in history.

Here’s one other way to think about it: If during the upcoming administration of President-elect Donald Trump, the stock market were to replicate the success it enjoyed under Obama, rising by a factor of 2.5, then the Dow Jones industrial average — which currently stands at just under the 20,000 level — would have to climb all the way up to 50,000.

How Obama Stacks Up Historically...

The stock market’s performance in the two terms under Obama represents “the second best run under a Democrat president,” trailing only the 14.9% annual gains under Bill Clinton in the 1990s, according to Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist for the market research firm CFRA.

Among all presidents, the market’s annualized gain under Obama ranks third behind Clinton and Gerald Ford — although Ford presided over less than a single term.

Equities also gained nearly three percentage points more annually under Obama than under Ronald Reagan — who, along with Clinton, is widely perceived as having been history’s biggest benefactors to Wall Street. How is that possible?

Unlike Reagan, who not only presided over a major bull market but also a couple of big stock slides — the 1981-82 downturn and the October 1987 crash — Obama’s entire presidency unfolded in a bull market.

Making American Stocks Great Again....

While interest rates have been at record lows around the world, the fact remains that U.S. stocks far outperformed other global markets.

Under Obama, U.S. stocks more than tripled investors’ money, generating total returns (which include the value of reinvested dividends) of 235%. By comparison, shares of companies based in Europe, Japan, and other developed economies gained just 96% in total, according to the investment research firm Morningstar".
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Money Magazine's 235% and my 259% are reflected by differences in compounding.

But, I'll let you pick, either 235% or 259%. Both are Huge run ups under Obama.

I firmly standby my numbers, with FACT.

If you don't get it, read Money Mag again and again until you get it.

Most likely you'll call it Fake News. It's the only deflection you have.

POA is a great car site. But, I wouldn't take financial info or advise from those posting here.

Be leery of people who yell "Pure Crap" or those Collecting Welfare. They know not what they speak.

"Figures don't lie, but liars figure"

BTW.... More FACTS....

Worst US Market drop in history, 1,175 points, 2/5/2018.... Donald Trumps' watch.

Second worst US Market drop in history, 1,032 points, 2/8/2018.... Donald Trump's watch.

If your invested in the Market, you lost a ton of money this week. You maybe in denial, and float past performance, but you got burnt.

I'll be the first to say I dropped a ton, but it will recover over time, that I'm confident of.

How's your 401K? .... Donald Trump.

An Apple is still an Apple, no matter what some may say.

posted 02-10-2018 07:37 PM                  

...again, I watch financial news channels daily (all day most days), and have invested for over 30 years on my own....a guy writing articles for Money Magazine is not my first choice for financial info (who is he, does he invest, how timely is getting your financial info from a magazine), I prefer the thoughts and wisdom of the actual players, real time info

.....personal profits the last 15 months or so have far far exceeded the previous 8 years, at least for me....all financial analysts I follow, non political, all say the same thing, the previous 8 years are nothing compared to the last year and the road looks good ahead and my personal stock gains strongly agree

...the pull back last week may extend, may be short lived, but it was a mere 30 day back track for me...tax cuts, higher profits, higher wages, more to spend, the economy is rolling

posted 02-11-2018 08:46 PM                  

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Originally posted by Tomcal:

But, I'll let you pick, either 235% or 259%. Both are Huge run ups under Obama.

I firmly standby my numbers, with FACT.

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I showed EXACTLY how I calculated 35.12%.
Show us how you calculated 235% or 259%.

posted 02-12-2018 12:40 PM                  

You can also ask Dow Jones, Standard and Poors, Kiplinger Baron, Wall Street Journal and many others.

Tell them, their wrong and your right. Let me know what they reply back to you. LOL

From Baron's....

(Quote) Trump Ranks Sixth In Stock Market Performance Behind Obama And Clinton

While the market has consistently gained under Trump, the gains haven’t been record-setting. From inauguration day on January 20 through October 27, the S&P 500 shows a 15.38% annualized rate of return. That’s less than the annualized percentages achieved under five other presidents.
Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all did better over the course of their terms. The top returns were achieved under a pair a pair of Democrats for whom Trump has expressed disdain–Bill Clinton at a 17.49% total return per year and Barack Obama at 16.25%.

Here’s a breakdown for the 15 latest presidents, ranked by market performance as measured by the total return on the S&P 500.

President Cumulative Return Annualized Return
Bill Clinton 163.25% 17.49%
Barack Obama 233.71% 16.25%
Gerald Ford 42.53% 15.57%
Harry Truman 207.98% 15.56%
Dwight Eisenhower 217.15% 15.51%
Donald Trump 13.64% 15.38%
Ronald Reagan 207.83% 15.08%
George H.W. Bush 73.13% 14.71%
Jimmy Carter 59.33% 12.40%
Franklin Roosevelt 300.95% 12.15%
Lyndon Johnson 73.17% 11.23%
John Kennedy 30.42% 9.82%
Richard Nixon -3.50% -0.64%
George W. Bush -26.75% -3.82%
Herbert Hoover -77.09% -30.82%

Trumps numbers above don't include 2000 plus point drop last week under his watch. Largest in history. Pushes his numbers much lower.

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