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posted 04-20-2024 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stray Cat     send a private message to Stray Cat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Stray Cat
Old dead topic, But being in the GMMG and SSR crowd has me thinking. Not to mention I now have 3 Prowlers if I keep them all.

The GMMG association/Club/Group is regularly out promoting the vehicles, mostly because no one knows what they are. They are slowly catching on as people realized what the GMMG guys did to them through Chevrolet and Pontiac Dealers (only 100 Trans Am's built). And the values are climbing as a result. 5 years ago they were low, they are really catching on. I did the MCACN show in Chicago 2 years ago and now will go to the Somerset KY Cruise June 21st and 22nd and the GMMG folks will be there "getting the word out" about what a GMMG car is/was all about.

I have now driven 2 Prowlers home recently on the highway, and, like every other time, people go by with camera in hand, thumbs up, has one woman hanging so far out of her window to give me huge thumbs up and snap pics, I thought she was going to fall out.

We know these cars generate a lot of passion. And then you show up to a show, and so many people, even today, wine about the cars. "It should have had a V8". "It was only a parts bin car" and other things. After 70 people went to Gatlinburg last year and we had only two problems I knew of mechanically that were not caused by a bad road (Ball Joints) these cars are more than amazing IMHO.

Which brings me to this. Somewhere on this site, I cannot find it, one of our members was making a Car Display that stated that these cars should NOT have come standard with a V8 and listed the reasons why. Does anyone know where that post is ? There are reasons that the V8 would have been fun of course, or a 6 speed. But imagine someone saying that the Acura NSX, Nissan GTR, etc. should have had a V8 and are slouch cars (they are not) because they have a 6 in them. Driving a 100% stock Prowler, the darn things were spirited, handled great and could run on 87 fuel.

But if anyone can direct me to that post that would be great. Got some ideas.

Thanks!

John

This message has been edited by Stray Cat on 04-20-2024 at 10:32 AM

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Honestly I havenít run into one person that ragged on my 6. Everything nowadays has a turbo 4 or 6 even Ferrari. I feel the times have changed quite drastically and our little 6ís are going to be making a comeback. I would be very interested in reading that post as well tho.
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Bob Harder made this sign board
http://www.prowleronline.com/scrapbook/00001432/_woodward'sign2.jpg
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Well Iím here promoting our cars at the Outlaws National Car Show in Jefferson TX. Itís cold, 54 degrees, 100% rain, but all us hardcore car show guys are here. Promoters said it was too late to reschedule. Usually there are around 200 cars but today only about 40. Weíre all in the corner bar talking cars staying warm & dry. Found out I need to tighten up those window seals on the convertible top.

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That car looks amazing!!!!
Beautiful!!!!!


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Well Iím here promoting our cars at the Outlaws National Car Show in Jefferson TX. Itís cold, 54 degrees, 100% rain, but all us hardcore car show guys are here. Promoters said it was too late to reschedule. Usually there are around 200 cars but today only about 40. Weíre all in the corner bar talking cars staying warm & dry. Found out I need to tighten up those window seals on the convertible top.



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Beautiful car...looks a lot like mine with the main difference being that mine is in it's cooled garage and it is 97 outside....

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Yes it does. Yours is clean & dry. It was warm & dry yesterday & will be warmer & dry tomorrow. We donít usually drive in rain as it usually trashes the car. Lots of clean up to do now. Iím headed back south. Another car show in Alvin TX. Hopefully warmer & dry there.
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If you go back and look at the numbers of the 4.7 V-8 which could have been used for the Prowler. If I remember right the Prowler V-6 put out a couple more HP and had just a couple fewer numbers on torque. Then if you take weight into the equation the V-6 was the obvious choice and it would be shorter than the 4.7. There is also a difference of displacement of 1.2 liters.

Then there is the parts bin thing. The Prowler was supposedly designed after a early Ford hot rod. Hot rods were built from parts from other cars a.k.a, parts bin cars.
I would have to confirm the 4.7 numbers.

I just checked here. [URL=http://jeepspecs.com/jeep/47-powertech-v8-engine-guide/#:~:text=4.7L%20PowerTech%20V8%20Specs%20Index%201%20Horsepower%3A%20235,3.41%E2%80%9D%20%2886.5%20mm%29%206%20Stroke%3A %203.]http://jeepspecs.com/jeep/47-powertech-v8-engine-guide/#:~:text=4.7L%20PowerTech%20V8%20Specs%20Index%201%20Horsepower%3A%20235,3.41%E2%80%9D%20%2886.5%20mm%29%206%20Stroke%3 A%203.[/URL] 66%E2%80%9D%20%2893.00%20mm%29

Horsepower: 235 hp @ 4,800 rpm
Torque: 295 lb.-ft @ 3,200 rpm
Compression Ratio: 9.8:1
Displacement: 287CI (4.7L)
Cylinder Bore: 3.41Ē (86.5 mm)
Stroke: 3.66Ē (93.00 mm)

They did come out with a HO engine later that put out something like 295 HP and these had cast iron blocks so more weight.

This message has been edited by padroo on 04-20-2024 at 06:38 PM

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Thats the one Dick, that Bob made. I'll put some thought into this. And effort. All those gorgeous Silver cars ! Disk has sent me pictures of his, wheel wells etc. and it is perfect. Cant imagine getting that thing wet in the rain! 2000Suncity - car looks beautiful and it is amazing, all three of ours have Nerf Bars. and it looks like all different versions too.

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I love the other versions of the nerf bars better than mine with holes. Dick's are much more tradition-true IMO. I am a new owner, 4 months, and most of the stuff was done by the original owner, most here in the Phoenix area.
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Your car is beautiful....

John

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I love the other versions of the nerf bars better than mine with holes. Dick's are much more tradition-true IMO. I am a new owner, 4 months, and most of the stuff was done by the original owner, most here in the Phoenix area.

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I am so impressed with all the kindness of this group and the tremendous wealth of knowledge. Thank you for your help and encouragement. Tim
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Dick, Looks beautiful. Great display. Unfortunately you couldn't show off that new rear deck lid with the rain. Hopefully next one is dry.
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Dick, can you show a close up of your display board? And Dick and I have been exchanging texts recently. The beauty of his car is amazing - the detail he and his wife have done to that car underneath, the entire vehicle is amazing. Truly. It's cleaner than you can imagine! Beautiful.

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Bob Harder provided me with details on how he made his board but I didnít have the tools to make my own. So I sent some pictures of my car and used a lot of Bobs facts that he used on his board to a car show sign company. They designed the board for me. Itís a bit wordy & if I did it again Iíd leave a few things out. Overall Iím very pleased & have gotten a lot of positive comments. Thank you Bob for all your help. All the facts on my board were from articles & car magazines about the Prowler. Bob also compiled a collection of all the magazine articles written about the Prowler. He provided those to me & I had a book made out of them to display at the car shows. Thanks again Bob.

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Thank you, Dick. In all honesty, This is one of my favorite articles about any cars..still laughing at some of the one liners. Makes me want to pack my trailer with all the stuff he lists in this Article at car shows. Now, where do I find used Oui magazines? 😆
http://www.theautopian.com/lets-just-take-a-moment-here-to-appreciate-that-the-plymouth-prowler-existed-and-could-be-purchased-with-a-trailer/

John

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I very rarely go to a car show. Only a couple in 25 years. I do go to cruise-ins once in awhile. I go by that famous quote, "Either you get it or you don't". I have found people either love it or don't care for it at all. I don't care! I saw a new 97 at the dealership and said, I will buy one when the price gouging stops. No one had to convince me.
That said, I think it is a good idea for those signs so people can read them but on the other hand I would rather people ask me questions so we can talk about it.
I don't feel the need to promote the car. It speaks for itself. You can't convert people to like what you like. You can't talk a Harley guy into buying a Honda Goldwing. You aren't going to convince a 'Vette guy to sell his car to buy a Prowler.
I am just happy I am fortunate enough to own one. I drive it and enjoy it. Now it is more about the friends we have made than almost everything else.
If it was a little warmer out, I would have convinced myself to go for a Prowler ride.
Have fun, life is short.
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Haha Ed - Nothin like being told that you have Cancer to make you realize that life is indeed short and yes, by all means, have fun! And I so very much enjoyed chatting with you today.

One of my life's greatest regrets, is logging onto this site, finding out Richard Jackson had passed and I never told him just how much I enjoyed hanging with him, speaking with him and just talking cars and prowlers. I logged on, saw he passed. Was heart broken. I had a bunch of people say hi, Told Steve I didn't have a Prowler to bring to West Virginia, he said it didn't matter, and then that day, I bought another Prowler. Got back involved, you are so right, wonderful people here and friendships. And then, after a ton of texts and messages, I never got to see Marty again. Major life regret. Major. God bless all of them.

Now, you really think people should come talk to me at shows, Cruise in's etc. ? I talk too much, about nothing. Just ask Shelley. A "board" would help people understand this car. I am more and more impressed with it, and with what was the history of this thing. One of my favorite stories was at the `10 year reunion in Detroit that CJ put on. An Engineer who was a big deal. (Love ? ) said, unequivocally, that the Ford GT would NOT have been produced had Plymouth not pioneered the bonding and gluing technology. This car, and there is more and more recently, is and was a game changer from so many perspectives. They will go up in value. Just my prediction.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market-trends/bull-market-2024/

And you CAN NOT tell me a woman with a tube top on, hanging out of her car giving you a thumbs up as you drive back a Prowler isn't a great thing.....

John


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John, I have a ton of those ďthumbs upĒ stories starting within 10 minutes of ownership over 25 years ago. I was shocked at the reactions. I appreciate all of that, I just donít care if someone DOESNíT like it. I donít feel the need to get their approval. Itís mine, itís paid for, and it is what I like. I wonít live long enough to double my money (which will be worth 33 percent due to inflation. I donít care if 98 percent donít like the Prowler. I DO so that is the only opinion that gets a vote but I am glad some people love it, also. Either you get it donít, why waste time and energy trying to convince them. If they post false info, I do post a response that they are wrong. No sense preaching to the choir.
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Ed I feel the same way about what other people say or think. The PT Cruiser received the same responces, but I liked that car also. When someone would say they didn't like one of my cars, I would say, I was going to buy you one too, but glad I didn't or I'm glad I didn't ask you first. If they said, I would never own one of those, I would say, all of us who own one appreciate that. You kinda get a blank look from them and they don't know what to say and just walk away. LOL
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One of my favorite memories was actually driving to a cruise in in northern Cincinnati in my Orange one and a young man screamed "please adopt me, I want to be your son!".

We all drive what we own for different reasons. Some hate the attention, some love it. A member on this site had someone who owned a 1972 Maverick with a 302 in it come up and say ; "they should have put a V8 in that thing" to which he replied ;" it will outrun your V8." And he was right. Truthfully? I think it's an issue with me because I own an SSR, which had the same issues. Underpowered engine in the 2003, 2004's. 2005 they Dropped the LS2 in it. And I go to those meets and hear how mis-informed some are about our Prowlers. Slow, ride hard, cheap interiors , and on and on. Doesn't keep me up at night, but if they (ask Bob L.) knew the engineering Marvel this car was to produce, to make, to get on the street , that would change. I also think seeing that naked Frame that I went and looked at for John really had an impact. It truly was a thing of beauty. The thought that went into the car, I didn't even appreciate. And I bet half of us don't. I'm a Mechanical Engineer by degree so that stuff matters. There are more and more articles coming out about the absolute amazement of the design and execution of that, how it influenced the look and performance. I'll see if I can find that article. Was fascinating.

I'm of the opinion that they WILL go up in value in my lifetime - And I'm all in on trying my best to 1) live long enough to see it and 2) spread the truth about these cars and their incredibly unique story from a design and manufacturing standpoint. Can't hurt. Hagerty just named it the number one car this year to invest in. So being poorer than some and having more money than I should in these cars, I like that. Someday, they will have to be sold. Sad to think about...

Ramblin about nothin', as usual,

John

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Ok, I found it. This article, at the end, focuses on the design, and just WHY this car looks so bad ass. What a great article.
http://www.theautopian.com/the-plymouth-prowler-was-way-more-advanced-than-its-appearance-suggests/

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A 5 Star Article John. Thanks for posting.
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What does this car


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