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posted 09-10-2018 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tony Goertz     send a private message to Tony Goertz   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Tony Goertz
Don't swap different year BCMs unless you want to fry some internal relays. 1999 vs 2000 specially. Been there... done that.
1997 swap 1999 seemed to be ok.
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posted 09-10-2018 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Weezy     send a private message to Weezy   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Weezy
Robin, Spoons and Tony, thank you and Robin, another thanks for the link. I guess I'll just remove the dang thing and hoping cleaning and greasing will do the trick.

Is the only thing I need to do is disconnect the battery? And along those lines, sounds like just replacing the battery could be a possible solution. How can the battery affect things if the charge is where it should be (about 13.7ish)?

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posted 09-11-2018 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for robin     send a private message to robin   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by robin
yes unhook battery .negative
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/cars/sdut-watts-wrong-with-my-car-2016mar03-stor y.html

quote from article.

“It all comes down to volts, amps and wattage,” said Rick Zitren, owner of Broadway Auto Electric in Lemon Grove. “If you relate it to plumbing, with electricity instead of water, volts is the pressure, amps is the flow and wattage is the end result, the amount of power that is consumed. Too much or too little of any of the three causes a problem.”

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Just for shits and jiggles check these points out in your car.

Picture taken from another thread. everyone should check this area.


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Robin, can't say thank you enough, would love to buy you a beer.. or a case of beer. for all of the times you have helped and I know I am one of many you help on here. Thank you!
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posted 09-30-2002 12:20 AM
My Prowler went dead while waiting for a traffic light to change....this happened to me once.

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Similar to small hole above:
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Was the positive cable, where it bends over the rear of the battery. On the underneath side it had burned a small hole in the cable. You couldn't see it, but you could feel it. I got it running again and all the dealer did was make a band-aid patch on the problem, by stripping back the red cable...cleaning out corrosion, and placing heat-shrink cable cover over the cleaned area. They said the cost to replace the positive cable on the cat was $800, which was under factory warranty, but Chrysler refused to pay for a replacement positive cable

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Need to cut that tie down to give the cable more slack so it doesn't sit against the edge of the battery.
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Larry, $800 for a cable? That cable better be made with platinum or gold.. holy cow
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Larry, $800 for a cable? That cable better be made with platinum or gold.. holy cow

Part of the entire wiring harness, they couldn't do just the red part, not on a Prowler

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Part of the entire wiring harness, they couldn't do just the red part, not on a Prowler

T-Rex is right.... Brian, here is what that wiring harness looks like.. Now you know why the cost is that high:
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They sure did make things complicated for us, didn't they?
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posted 09-11-2018 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALLEY CAT     send a private message to ALLEY CAT   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ALLEY CAT
Brian,,, I'm thinking that job is not a DIY project

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Hahaha, not a chance Larry!

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Brian,,, I'm thinking that job is not a DIY project


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For what it's worth, battery cable looks perfect and is not touching the battery case at all

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posted 09-12-2018 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spoons     send a private message to spoons   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by spoons
I hate saying this but take it to the dealer. I spent a lot of time (30 hrs) attempting to diagnose the issue and at the end the dealer was able to use there computer to diagnose the BCM was bad. I then limped home and sent the BCM to United radio to refurbish it for $150 over a new BCM at the dealer for $2000.
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Thanks Spoons, if I struggle with getting the dang thing out, I might actually do that - unfortunately the Chrysler dealer in my area doesn't give me a lot of confidence in what they know. That'll be my last ditch effort to figure out what the gremlin is

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A few notes on positive battery cable;

Positive battery cable touching battery case WILL NOT cause a short or loss of power. Battery cases are plastic. Plastic is an insulator.

Positive battery cable can be replaced on a Prowler, or for that matter on most cars, very easily.

Simply cut off old cable where it enters and exits wire loom.

Route new cable outside wire loom from battery to Power Distribution Center. Secure with a few cable ties to prevent chafing and your done.

Parts cost under $25.00

I've accomplished this many times on classic cars and cars where rodents have eaten wiring.

Most common Prowler positive battery cable chafing points are under radiator and at Frame/Power Distribution Center location.

BradleyG found and solved his battery cable problem at Power Distribution Center.

Pictures below are from BradleyG's post.......


Installed insulating sleeve over battery cable.

Chafing through battery cable at Frame/Power Distribution Center location.

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posted 09-12-2018 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
The plastic battery case won't cause the short, BUT water can get in there and cause a short.
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With all do respect, water will not cause a short in this circumstance.
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I have isolated my speedometer issue to the My upgraded gears speedometer converter box. I wired the rewired the wires going into the TCM back to factory set up (bypassed the speedometer converter box) and the speedometer work (but it’s off by 27%). I rewired the converter box thinking I had a short and speedo still doesn’t work. I verified I have 13.2 volts coming to input for the box.

If I remember things correctly the 1997 converter is unique.

Any one have Prowler Pro Deans contact info? His phone number and email I have do not work anymore.

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UPDATE:

Okay, so I had some time today to work on this. I removed the BCM (this was NOT fun!), but got that sucker out. I blasted the connections with canned air designed for electronics, sprayed the connections with electronic connection cleaner, let dry and then used a small dab of di-electric grease on each and every pin. I reconnected everything and turned the key to run - same gauge issues. Started the car - no change.

Unless someone has a 1999 BCM I can borrow to see if I can narrow it down to the BCM specifically, I have also pulled the dash apart again and will be sending both the gauge cluster and BCM to Syracuse NY for diagnosis. I'll let you know what my results are because I know there are several people dealing with gauge issues right now.

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If you send the BCM to United Radio they run a diagnosis on BCM and if it’s okay they only charge a diagnostic fee ($50-70). If it’s bad then they will fix it or provide a new one.
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Thanks Spoons, that's exactly where I'll be sending it, already been in touch with them and have their details. Thanks again!

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If you send the BCM to United Radio they run a diagnosis on BCM and if it’s okay they only charge a diagnostic fee ($50-70). If it’s bad then they will fix it or provide a new one.

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UPDATE:

After removing, cleaning and adding di-electric grease to the connections, I sent my BCM to United Radio in Syracuse NY. They received it Wed or Thur of last week and called me this morning. He said the BCM checks out fine and they are sending it back to me at no charge, not even shipping. I even offered to pay at least shipping, and he said no - that's how we do business.

That gives me a good feeling about the type of people who run and work in that shop and I guess with no other ideas about why my gauges are possessed, I will be boxing up the entire gauge cluster and sending it to them. Hopefully it's just a capacitor or something simple. And hopefully the next call will be.. "we found the issue"!

I will keep y'all posted on the progress


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