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padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 08-04-2016 10:53 PM
I bought the filter and the ATF +4 transmission Fluid and am considering installing a drain plug in the transmission pan while I have it off. It has been in there a long time and I am OK for mileage. Everyone has their own opinion on when and if to change it and if I wanted to get technical about it I would send a sample to Blackstone Labs in Ft. Wayne, In. And have it tested. Testing not only tells you the condition of the fluid but also the condition of the transmission. |
RPL POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Rochester Hills, MI, USA |
posted 08-05-2016 06:07 AM
Install the drain plug. Change the fluid and filter. Make sure to carefully raise the rear wheels off the ground and run the transmission through all four gears plus reverse, shut the car off and refill the transmission, repeat at least once before driving the car. The original fill does not fill the valve body. Failure to do this will result in a trans failure due to under filling the trans. You may have to add as much as two quarts after that first cycle. |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 08-05-2016 07:35 AM
25 year+,,,Mopar certified transmission tech,,told me: Change tranny filter and refill the first time at 30,000. Next time, at 60 to 70,000 miles,,,complete fluid flush and refill only >>>> good to go. Alternate filter and refill and complete flush/fill every other time. Be absolutely positive your tranny is full of fluid before any long, high speed driving trips..........RPL and I found that out following Marc Scarbeary (RIP) in Colorado, in 2001. Marc had his tranny serviced before our trip to S.Dakota, and apparently wasn't filled & checked properly.......... Catastrophe struck, and Marc's tranny failed |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 08-05-2016 08:51 AM
I will measure what I take out to make sure I put the right amount back in. |
Tomcal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Commack, NY, USA |
posted 08-05-2016 09:28 PM
Drain plug is a great idea considering location of pan. Makes life easier. Pan dump and filter replacement will only remove approximately 4 quarts of fluid, about half of total (8 Qts). Majority of remaining fluid is in torque converter and clutch packs. After about a couple hundred miles or so, you can drain or suck out 4 Qts and refill. A couple of pan bolts are shrouded by rear cross member that runs under pan. After removing bolts, tap pan sideways using a block of wood and hammer to break seal. Remember to drain when fluid is hot, or at least warm. Clean magnet that's in pan also. Small amount of fine metal on it is normal. When reinstalling gasket DO NOT use any type of silicone/RTV sealant. ATF+4 is very sensitive to uncured silicone, causing it to foam. It can take weeks for it to fully cure. There is a TSB on this from Chrysler. Chrysler does sell a reusable pan gasket good for about three uses, but it's pricey. Part #05011114AA Per service manual, install filter making sure o-ring is in place. Add 4 quarts of ATF+4, then start engine and run for 1-2 minutes. Foot on brake, run through all gears using Auto-stick mode. Hold each gear for 5 seconds ending in Park. Check fluid level with engine running. If fluid is cold, this will be at the ADD mark. Fluid will expands as it heats up. Measuring fluid you took out is a good idea and indicator. There is no need to raise rear wheels. Just run through gears using Auto-stick. You are filling torque convertor, value body and all clutch packs by doing so. If you raise it for working clearance, then member to step on brake before putting in park. DO NOT drive until fluid level is correct. At ADD mark as a minimum. Drive and Recheck level when ATF fluid is hot. Transmission is cooled separately from engine, so you need to drive a few miles to get tranny up to temperature. Speed up over 40 mph and down lower a few times to get convertor Lock-Up circuit activated. Over filling is just as bad as under filling. Just a Note, Chrysler recommends a complete ATF flush every 15 thousand miles under Schedule "B". 60 thousand under schedule "A". Somewhere in between is probably good. |
quincy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fairfield Glade, TN. USA |
posted 08-06-2016 11:50 AM
I had my transaxle serviced a few years ago at a Chrysler dealership. They put her on a rack and hooked up the trans cooler lines to a special machine. With the cat running the trans pumped out the old fluid while the machine filled with new fluid. Reminded me of a heart/lung machine. I believe this method is best because a static drain with the pan off will not empty the torque converter, which may hold up to 8-9 quarts. Then I had the final drive gear oil changed with a quality synthetic 80/90 weight. Also had the 30 weight oil sucked out and changed. Yes, that's correct. Our transaxles have three unique oils that need to be changed. The manual states every 16K miles for the final drive gears.....Sounds excessive but I follow instructions. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-06-2016 11:54 AM
How do you change the filter using that method Lou? |
quincy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fairfield Glade, TN. USA |
posted 08-06-2016 03:47 PM
quote: You don't/can not change the filter in this manner. Actually our transaxle has a screen type filter not an 'old fashioned' paper/felt media type filter. Unless a lot of debris is in the trans chances of clogging the filter/screen are very slim. And even though going on 20 years, our transmissions are still in the 'modern era' category. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-06-2016 03:55 PM
Thank you for both posts. Very informative. |
onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-06-2016 05:59 PM
I do three to four Transmission Services a year here in Colorado for some of my Mile Hi Prowler Club members... I always change the pan over to one of my pans that I have welded in a drain plug.. The same style pan that I gave away to some of the kind people that came to the Colorado Prowler National Event in 2015.. This is a extremely messy job if your Prowler pan has never been off the car and it doesn't have a drain plug in it.. I have never tried the way that TomCal suggests about using a wooden block to knock the pan loose or to get it off with the cross member still on as all the factory Prowler pans that I have done were installed at the factory using a Black Glue when they did them... Make sure all the pan bolts are removed and you will need to PRY the pan off.. I'm not even sure that the pan can be taken off with the rear cross member on as I remove them and clean all parts and they are quite easy to shine up.. I use a Felpro Kit and they come with a pan gasket along with the filter and O ring.. I have had to glue a couple of pans back on like the factory did because I couldn't get them to seal.. Any way RPL is spot on in my book as I raise the rear wheels off the ground after I put in about 4 or 5 qts of ATF 4 and let it go threw the gears using the manual over ride also using reverse to get it up to factory temp. and then it put the car on the ground and check the fluid.. Most cars that I have done will take 5 to 6 qts.. I always pick up 8 for the job.. I have a step by step picture display of how to do it on the Milehiprowlers.com site under transmission service.. John(onecatnodog)
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padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 08-06-2016 06:56 PM
I just checked my transmission filter kit I bought from Advance Auto. This one is in a Carquest box and it has a filter, a black rubber gasket and an " O " ring. The instructions read. Using an oil soluble grease, lubricate the pan and install the new gasket on the pan. NOTE: Do not use gasket adhesive, gasket cement or any similar product. The oil soluble grease will hold the gasket in place during the installation process. I have used a block of wood and a hammer to remove different automotive parts from cars, don't remember a transmission pan but sometimes it works OK by shearing the old adhesives. The key is not to distort the pan and not gouge the mating surfaces to prevent leaks. I always start out using a little finesse and work my way up to using more force as needed to remove a stuck part. I come from a heavy industrial background and know what using force is all about. |
onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-06-2016 07:59 PM
There are two pry spots to get the pan offwhere the casing sticks out futher than the pan.. I was able to use a gasket 80% of the time, and if you do no need to use the factory sealer.. If you use the factory sealer do not use the gasket. Since I'm not the Mile Hi Prowler President anymore and posting up stories and images on the Milehiprowlers.com site Grant has kind of shut it down.. There is a back way in to it by using this link and then do a search.. for the "Transmission Service" and it will come up a step by step with pictures... To get there and Don't mind the Prowler Girls Prowler Included Images that will take you there...My new job leaves me very little time for much of anything as of right now, but I'm happy to be working.. I am getting close to retirement age and will be back at it in a few years as I miss it big time.. onecatnodog Here's the link to the site under the Prowler Girl Images if you can't get on... This message has been edited by onecatnodog on 08-06-2016 at 08:01 PM |
onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-06-2016 08:02 PM
Maybe it won't work for you... Looks like it works.. onecatnodog http://milehiprowlers.fr.yuku.com/sreply/2648/Prowler-Girls-Prowler-Included This message has been edited by onecatnodog on 08-06-2016 at 08:04 PM |
robin POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St Thomas Ontario Canada |
posted 08-07-2016 10:55 AM
Your mechanic is way better looking than mine....... Maybe that's why efrem 72 has a garage queen... He has a garage mechanic like you.....lol |
Tomcal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Commack, NY, USA |
posted 08-07-2016 02:47 PM
Using a hand held suction pump through the tranny dip stick tube removes most of the ATF and illuminates the mess when dropping pan. Harbor Freight, Auto parts stores and Marine stores sell them. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 08-07-2016 05:15 PM
quote: Thanks, we just got a new Harbor Freight store in my area, I will check it out. |
Tomcal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Commack, NY, USA |
posted 08-08-2016 02:09 PM
Harbor Freight suction pump coupon. On sale ONLY $4.99 Do not use if fluid is extremely hot. Warm to very warm is OK. Spell correction on my last post should have been "ELIMINATE". |
onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-08-2016 09:21 PM
The Filter can not be changed with out removing the pan or the magnet cleaned.. onecatnodog Here is one of the pry spots as all Prowler Pans are installed at the factory with Black Sealer.. Here is the other one.. onecatnodog This message has been edited by onecatnodog on 08-08-2016 at 09:23 PM |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 08-08-2016 09:25 PM
Thanks guys for the help. |
onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-08-2016 09:30 PM
Here is where I started... I'm not saying that this is the correct way but is the way I did it.. onecatnodog |
onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-08-2016 09:38 PM
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onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-08-2016 09:44 PM
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onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-08-2016 09:50 PM
This message has been edited by onecatnodog on 08-08-2016 at 10:16 PM |
onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-08-2016 10:02 PM
Everything is out of the way now... onecatnodog Leave about 4 corner bolts in but loose to hold the pan in place when you do the pry the pan off from the factory glue..
Use the pry spots that I showed you earlier to help drain the fluid out or I guess you could use the pump to suck it out.. Do a product review on the pump from Harbor Freight, as it's not very good and I was afraid that I would make a mess and I didn't want it on the trunk carpet.. I have a very large pan and always put some card board down and then it's not a big deal... onecatnodog
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onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 08-08-2016 10:14 PM
Two clips hold the filter on... onecatnodog Make sure that the old "o" ring is removed and put the new one on the new filter and put a little trans fluid on it as it makes it super easy to push back on.. Something to think about as when I put the welded drain plugs in I put them in the left front corner when looking at the back of the car to the front.. If the car has a after market roll pan you will be able to still drain it with no mess... onecatnodog This message has been edited by onecatnodog on 08-08-2016 at 10:14 PM |
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