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TNtraveler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bethpage, TN, USA |
posted 10-12-2019 02:03 PM
Dear Brains of the forum, HELP!!! I replaced the battery and after that all kinds of problems popped up. First off it will not place emission testing. Techs said computer will not reset. I've done EVERYTHING it says on the web to reset the drive cycle computer and nothing helps, I,ve replaced all the sensors, air idle sensor twice which did fix my crazy idling problems. Have not replaced O2 sensors in exhaust. Now it runs great except for these misfires from time to time causing the engine service light to flash but it goes right back off after engine picks it self back and runs good again. Still stops running at st0p lights occasionally. Have also replaced the fuel filter, EGR valve and new fuel pump intank. At wit's end. Any ideas guys, Car has 56K on it, THANKS!!!!!! |
Beachkat2 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Wasaga Beach, Ontario, Canada |
posted 10-12-2019 06:26 PM
Bad coil? I'm no expert so just throwing that in because you didn't mention the coils |
LSK POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Asheville, North Carolina, United States |
posted 10-12-2019 06:34 PM
Have you or your mechanic done a carbon cleaning on the intake system using Seafoam or some other similar product? This helps to get rid of carbon and residue around the valves and in the intake system. Also as Beachkat 2 stated, could be a bad coil. Take an ohm meter and take a resistance reading on each coil. They all should have about the same reading. If one is notably different than the others, replace it. This message has been edited by LSK on 10-12-2019 at 06:37 PM |
Beachkat2 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Wasaga Beach, Ontario, Canada |
posted 10-12-2019 06:45 PM
double post, sorry This message has been edited by Beachkat2 on 10-12-2019 at 06:45 PM |
TNtraveler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bethpage, TN, USA |
posted 10-12-2019 07:37 PM
Yep cleaned it all up and did find a lot of carbon/soot. If I find one bad coil, should I replace them all just in case? |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-12-2019 07:51 PM
I would say no. If you feel more secure doing all of them, go for it. |
Tomcal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Commack, NY, USA |
posted 10-12-2019 08:35 PM
What error codes are you getting? If you saw a MIL light (service engine) than engine computer (PCM) will have saved an error code. Tech says computer will not reset? Drive cycle computer? These are not accurate descriptive words. Is Tech really trying to say "Computer Not Ready" There are 6 parameters/monitors that need to be "Ready' to start and pass emissions inspection in most cases. There is no drive cycle computer. Engine computer (PCM) needs to see a that all parameters (monitors) are "Ready" before starting test. A drive cycle is a set of conditions that a car needs to go through to be "Ready". Typically 30-50 miles of combination highway and around town driving. It varies from manufacture to manufacturer. Is emissions test being done at tailpipe or relying on PCM computer for results? Emission test procedure vary from state to state. You should ask Tech what conditions/monitors are "Not Ready" I doubt a bad coil would cause and engine to stall, unless there is more than one bad coil. Misfire and run rough, yes. When car stalls, does it just abruptly shut off or misfire than stall? A misfire can also be bad fuel injector(s). There is a electrical capacitor attached to each engine bank that has at times caused random misfires to occur. Try to get more info from Tech. This message has been edited by Tomcal on 10-12-2019 at 08:39 PM |
LSK POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Asheville, North Carolina, United States |
posted 10-12-2019 08:36 PM
If your OBD scanner shows which cylinder is misfiring, move that coil to another cylinder. If the misfire moves, either the coil or the insulating tube is bad. If the coils are the original ones, they all probably need to be replaced. A random misfire is code PO300. Standing at the front of the engine, the right bank, passenger side, is 1,3,5 cylinders. The left bank, driver's side, is 2,4,6 cylinders. I have an Innova scanner that I bought from Amazon. It works well and will allow you to clear the codes. This message has been edited by LSK on 10-12-2019 at 08:42 PM |
TNtraveler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bethpage, TN, USA |
posted 10-13-2019 07:58 AM
Thanks guys for all the advise, all the state emission guys tell me its a drive cycle issue and to keep driving it to reset. These guys at emission testing sites are all minimum wage so just read off what the computer tell them! Guess I do need to invest in a good scanner to find codes and to clear them. What to you suggest brand and model number. TKS!!!!!!! |
alrtg POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Westminster, MD, USA |
posted 10-13-2019 10:15 AM
IF you have had your battery disconnected just prior to taking your car for emissions testing, it will fail every time. There are a specific number of cycles the computer needs to see, along with an unknown number of miles before the computers at the emissions stations will recognize and accept your car for testing. I went through this last time I went through emissions. You need to drive the car for a while then shut it off, drive some more, shut it off, drive some more, shut it off. I would suggest driving it around the block daily for a few days which will provide both mileage and drive cycles that will hopefully be enough to satisfy the computers. After that, take it back for testing if the check engine light does not stay on. You are right, the unqualified, poorly trained, non-automotively inclined "Technicians" contracted to do this are generally clueless and only read the computer screen. IF your check engine light is not illuminated when you go in for testing and they still fail the car, I would ask for a detailed explanation as to why they feel it does not pass. For all you know, there is a fault within their computer or the "Technician" has made some bonehead error that results in unnecessary aggravation on your part.
This message has been edited by alrtg on 10-13-2019 at 10:33 AM |
TNtraveler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bethpage, TN, USA |
posted 10-13-2019 11:00 AM
still think I should get a good home mechcanic scanner. Have 6 cars in the family, I'm always fixing one of kids cars (if I Can). What the group's thought on a good scanner for codes and clearing them. TKS, Jim in the sticks of TN |
TNtraveler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bethpage, TN, USA |
posted 10-13-2019 11:04 AM
My favorite car after my Prowler is myetc, 69' AMX. Points, condenser, carb, this I understand. computer engine mgmt. not so much |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 10-13-2019 09:57 PM
There is a difference between a code reader and a scanner. A scanner will read out live data like fuel air ratio and other system. A code reader will just read out the codes but these are a good place to start. Like Andria said, go to the parts store and see if there are any codes stored in the computer. This is the one I have. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 10-14-2019 11:23 AM
Do you have a "Check Engine" light or a "Check Gauge" light lit all the time? The reason I ask is they are two different things and are sometimes confused with one another. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 10-14-2019 01:42 PM
I just found this. For Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge Turn the ignition switch to the “ON” position, but do not crank or start the engine. If you crank or start the engine, you will have to start this test over. http://justsmogs.com/2016/08/check-obd-ii-monitor-readiness-without-a-scan-tool/ |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 10-14-2019 04:42 PM
Good work Dale. |
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