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PCBProwler Prowler Newbie From:Panama City Beach, FL, USA |
posted 04-10-2015 10:07 AM
I have recently had starting issues with my 97 Prowler. The battery died last year and was replaced with a new one (Autozone). Had no problems for quite a while, but don't drive it a lot either. I do try to keep it on a tender as much as I can. I don't currently run any optional electronics. Lately I have noticed sluggish starts after driving for a bit. One point after a good drive, stopped for gas and would not start, jump start worked. Slow or (no)starts always seem to be when engine is hot or warm, after sitting for a while it will start. Battery and alternator check good from two independent shops. Any ideas on what to ck next? ------------------ |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 04-10-2015 11:31 AM
I would clean the ground terminals at both the battery and where it connects to the frame. Check all connections even at the starter. I would have the starter checked for current draw after that. I assume the fan belt is tight and the amp meter is reading just at or slightly below 14 Volts. I bought one of these It doesn't cost much and while you are having problems you can keep it plugged into the power port and watch the exact voltage on your system. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 04-10-2015 11:33 AM
quote: I once installed too small of a battery in my car and it would not keep up with the electrical demands of the car. Sorry, I often hit quote instead of edit and catfish is no longer here to yell at me. lol I do apologize. This message has been edited by padroo on 04-10-2015 at 11:35 AM |
1buddyc POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio Texas USA |
posted 04-10-2015 04:05 PM
quote: Handy tool to have Padroo, I just ordered one. Thanks for the Heads Up. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 04-10-2015 06:57 PM
I bought that little tool after I bought my Prowler and then when my Prius starting to do weird things I plugged it in and basically I could watch my battery run down with the key on in the accessorie mode. After installing a new battery it drained down a lot slower. Once the yellow led turns on your car may not start. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 04-10-2015 07:05 PM
I bought a new battery last Spring and my car wouldn't start a few months ago. The battery was bad and it was only about 6 months old. They replaced it free. |
PCBProwler Prowler Newbie From:Panama City Beach, FL, USA |
posted 04-12-2015 06:26 PM
Thanks guys, I will check those items, yes the alternator was putting out 13.8 and I realize the battery could be bad even though it is fairly new. I am having the starter checked in the morning and just may switch up to an Optima battery as well. I will also get one of those monitors, thanks again for the advice. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 04-12-2015 06:46 PM
quote: Make sure you let us know how it all works out, please. |
Landscape Doctor POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Live Free Or Die State, NH |
posted 04-12-2015 10:19 PM
Bad battery is my guess and check all the grounds. This message has been edited by Landscape Doctor on 04-12-2015 at 10:20 PM |
cstall POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chandler, AZ USA |
posted 04-13-2015 11:24 AM
If the car starts OK cold but is hard to start after it's warmed up, it could be the common problem with the fuel pump going bad. This message has been edited by cstall on 04-13-2015 at 11:25 AM |
PCBProwler Prowler Newbie From:Panama City Beach, FL, USA |
posted 08-04-2015 11:00 AM
Thanks for all of the ideas, I took it to a reputable shop here where I live and they checked it all out thoroughly and found the ground to be insufficient. Not sure why being warm effected it so much but the battery was losing 7 volts when you turned the key on. They installed a double ground cable on it, one to the frame and one to the block (closer to the starter). Haven't had any problems since. (knock on wood) Thanks again and sorry it took me so long to update this thread. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 08-04-2015 11:21 AM
Thanks for posting even if it took a while. The Prowlers seem to have more ground issues than normal cars and my guess it is because of the aluminum frame. I wonder if it would help to use something like this to prevent it from happening NOALOX 4 oz. Anti-Oxidant Compound. It is used on electrical connections where aluminum wire is used with dissimilar metals to prevent corrosion. It wouldn't hurt that's for sure http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ideal-NOALOX-4-oz-Anti-Oxidant-Compound-30-026/202276208 |
alrtg POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Westminster, MD, USA |
posted 08-04-2015 06:04 PM
quote: Go hang around C1 thru C3 Corvette owners and I imagine they feel the same way. This message has been edited by alrtg on 08-04-2015 at 06:05 PM |
Landscape Doctor POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Live Free Or Die State, NH |
posted 08-04-2015 08:41 PM
That's good news that your issue is resolved. Happy Prowlin. |
Landscape Doctor POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Live Free Or Die State, NH |
posted 08-04-2015 08:47 PM
quote: Padroo, last winter I removed all of the grounds, sanded the connections and fastening points and used dielectric grease before reinstallation. The product you suggested should work as well. This procedure should be part of a periodic maintenance depending on the conditions the car is stored in. |
Tomcal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Commack, NY, USA |
posted 08-15-2015 10:22 PM
As an Electrical/Electronics Engineer I would not recommend Dielectric Grease. It's an insulator. (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric for a very, very detailed explanation). First paragraph says it all. Use NOALOX Anti-Oxidant Compound or Anti-Seize to prevent corrosion (high electrical resistance) between copper ground wire and aluminum chassis and engine. Many people use Dielectric Grease on connectors and bulb sockets, but don't understand what is really happening. The "Wiping Effect" of pushing connectors together or rotating bulb in its socket displaces Dielectric Grease allowing for the electrical connection. Grease then serves to keep out air and contaminates that leads to corrosion. It's very effective for this application and I do use it. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 08-15-2015 10:34 PM
Thanks Tomcal for your professional input. |
NullMind POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:London |
posted 08-18-2015 07:54 AM
quote: Thanks for this, I might have this problem Yesterday when I picked up the car from the garage (first time) it started just fine, stopped for gas on the way home and was hard to start then went to a bar for about 1 hour and was hard to start (could it be warm still then ?) This morning, started at first turn again wonder if it's the fuel pump or the fact it was in transit for 3 months This message has been edited by NullMind on 08-18-2015 at 07:54 AM |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 08-18-2015 08:54 AM
",,,,wonder if it's the fuel pump or the fact it was in transit for 3 months?" Betting on the fuel pump module.... I didn't have those warm start problems when my fuel pump just quite all together......long tow ride home. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-18-2015 01:36 PM
Give this a try. When the car is warm, turn on the key but don't hit the starter. Let the fuel pump do its job for about 10 seconds and see if that helps somewhat. I had the problem on a '99. Never had it on the later models. |
quincy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fairfield Glade, TN. USA |
posted 08-18-2015 01:57 PM
quote: Ed told me this trick years ago.....but forgot to add: turn key on/off 3 times, but do not engage starter. This will prime the engine with enough fuel to start it under warm/hot conditions. Yes, I have a 99, and yes, I replaced the fuel pump based on this symptom, which is the start of the OEM fuel pump failure mode. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 08-18-2015 03:05 PM
Lou, thanks for the update. I am getting old and that has been at least 10 years ago. |
NullMind POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:London |
posted 08-19-2015 05:11 AM
Thanks guys, I will try this trick, but even if that does the job, still means the pump is on the way out right ? a new pump would not do the same ... |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 08-19-2015 08:41 AM
I would either check it out or have someone check it out. The test point is on the fuel rail just under the plentum. A fuel pressure gauge can be attached and pressure can be checked, very easy to do. Are you mechanically inclined and do you have a manual for the car? I will assume there are no Prowler techs in the UK so if you don't have a manual you will need one. I suggest a digital copy on a thumb drive for portability. |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 08-19-2015 11:59 AM
If it is the fuel pump, there is a low cost replacement now available thanks to Tom Mills. http://jeffersonautocollision.com/prowler-parts/ |
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