Home Page | Owners Registry | Discussion Forums | ProwlerMall | Event Scrapbooks | About |
Prowler Products By Gary | Tom Mills / Jefferson Auto |
Click here to return to the Prowler Online Board Main Page |
ProwlerOnline, Plymouth/Chrysler Prowler Discussion Forum
Technical Questions & Answers Need an Electronic Control Module (ECM)
|
Bottom of Page | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
Author | Topic: Need an Electronic Control Module (ECM) |
christo Prowler Newbie From:Houston, Texas |
posted 04-09-2015 01:44 PM
Hi, I need an ECM for a Prowler (Electronic Control Module). Part #4686966AA. Anyone know where I can get a used one and save a couple of bucks? Thanks Chris |
robin POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St Thomas Ontario Canada |
posted 04-09-2015 04:10 PM
The number you posted is for a 01 prowler. A Chrysler dealer is possible source for replacement as it was said they were putting PCM ECM into reproduction. It would be very difficult to find a used one that anyone would part with.... http://www.tascaparts.com/oe-mopar/r4686966aa Is there any back ground info that you can share why you need or was told you need a new ECM PCM. |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 04-09-2015 06:49 PM
Quite possibly a used ECM would have the VIN# stored of the car it came out of? Not positive? If so, that might create more problems, down the road in time,,,,than you would want to deal with.. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 04-09-2015 08:23 PM
While this write up is not specifically for a Prowler it is for a Chrysler and it does mention the VIN #. Interesting read for what it's worth. ysler Flash Procedure Also note, many Chrysler PCMs require a re-initialization procedure after a flash. For more information about this, click here (requires Adobe Acrobat to open pdf file). Here is a sample of the flash reprogram procedure a Chrysler dealer would use. This one happens to be for a recall Chrysler issued for 1999 California Dodge Ram Pickups and Vans with 5.9L engine ("Z" engine code in the 8th VIN position), automatic transmission and California emissions control system (code NAE). The OBD II catalyst monitor on these vehicles may not detect a catalyst failure so the PCM programming had to be revised to comply with California regulations. The dealer accesses the latest software through the modem connection in the Mopar Diagnostic System, and feeds it through the DRB III scan tool into the vehicle's PCM via the OBD II connector. The process begins by turning the ignition key on (engine off) and allowing the scan tool to "auto connect" with the PCM. Once the lines of communication are open, the VIN is displayed on the scan tool. The technician can now press the "OK" button to proceed with the reflash procedure. The first thing he does is select "Read Part Numbers From Vehicle" and click "Show Updates" on the MDS2. If somebody has already reflashed the PCM, the screen will say "Part number is up to date and does not require any new updates." The software number should be compared to the latest version to verify the numbers match just the same. If the PCM has not yet been updated, the technician clicks OK, selects the new software part number and clicks "Update Controller Software." From that point on, the process is automatic - but there is a hitch. During the flash reprogramming procedure, the PCM loses communication with other modules on the vehicle that may set a number of "false" trouble codes for the transmission module, ABS module, body control module, etc. This does not indicate a problem and the codes can be erased after the flash reprogramming procedure has been completed. The technician is also supposed to attach a label to the PCM with the reflash part number and date indicating the PCM has been reflashed. WARNING! PCM Flashing Is Not Without Risk Chrysler issued a TSB (18-32-98) that deals with how to recover from a flash reprogramming failure. The bulletin says, "Occasionally a flash update procedure may not complete properly and/or the diagnostic equipment may lock up during the procedure." Common causes of flash errors include poor cable connections between the PC, scan tool and vehicle, loss of power to the diagnostic equipment while the flash procedure is underway, turning off the vehicle ignition switch before the flash procedure is complete, unfamiliarity with the procedure (pushing the wrong buttons), or low vehicle battery voltage. If the process crashes, recheck all the cable connections to assure good communications and reinitialize the flash procedure. In other words, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. On the Chrysler applications, you may also have to identify which type of controller is on the vehicle (SBEC2, SBEC3, JTEC 96-98, JTEC+ 99, etc.) to get the system to accept the new programming. If you get an error message again, you probably selected the wrong controller type (try again!). Doing your own flash reprogramming is not without risk. Any number of things can go wrong during the installation process which may result in an incomplete update or a frozen PCM. The worst case is that you can't recover the PCM and have to replace it. Out advice is to leave PCM updates to a knowledgeable professional. If your vehicle needs a flash update, take it to the car dealer or a qualified repair shop and let them do the update. http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/us10430.htm This message has been edited by padroo on 04-09-2015 at 08:23 PM |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 04-09-2015 09:41 PM
Is an ECM the same as a PCM? I thought one was Electronic and the other was Powertrain Control Module. |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 04-09-2015 09:50 PM
Some older cars like prowlers have an ECM (engine control module) and a separate TCM (transmission control module) Newer cars have a PCM (powertrain control module) which controls the engine and transmission. There is no separate TCM. This is my understanding anyway. |
dru POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas |
posted 04-09-2015 09:54 PM
quote: Christo is the North Freeway Hyundai dealer that frequently has Prowlers as well as other very unique and desirable vehicles. Apparently they have one that has a bad ECM. Unfortunately, it is very unlikely they will find a used one. This message has been edited by dru on 04-09-2015 at 09:57 PM |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 04-09-2015 11:35 PM
The terms PCM, ECU (electronic control unit) and ECM are all terms used for what I will call the main computer on cars. It seems as though whoever manufactures them gets to name them. I don't know much about the Prowler but some newer cars have the voltage regulator inside the computer. GM moved them from the firewall or inner fender to the inside of the alternator back in the middle 70's. Does anyone know for sure where the voltage regulator is on the Prowler. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 04-09-2015 11:39 PM
So the Prowler has the BCM, ECM and TCM. In the garage section it has EATX as a module for the tranny, part number 4865-334AC, BCM as 4727-052AC and ECM as 4727-907AB (for a 2000 model.) |
christo Prowler Newbie From:Houston, Texas |
posted 04-10-2015 05:21 PM
Hi all, Thanks for info. Dru is correct. I'm at North Freeway Hyundai. The ECM is bad and we did send it to a company that can re-flash them. This one will not re-flash. We've got to buy a new one. Looks like it's going to be $615 for a new one. I think we have to send the new one to the flash guys and they'll put the current miles on the new ECM. Thanks! Chris |
spoons POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:West Palm Beach, FL |
posted 10-30-2016 10:09 PM
Chris, What did you end up doing? I am having voltage regulator issue which is inside the ECM. I'm thinking of installing the external voltage control module and bypassing the ECM. Brian |
Stroker Prowler Junkie From:Sevierville, Tennessee, USA |
posted 10-30-2016 11:00 PM
Investigate a 1 wire alternator . One wire from big stud on alternator to the plus side of the battery or the starter battery cable stud which ever is most convenient. |
All times are CT (US) Top of Page Previous Page | Return to Technical Questions & Answers next newest topic | next oldest topic |
All material contained herein, Copyright 2000 - 2012 ProwlerOnline.com
E-Innovations, LP