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Larry Lord


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posted 05-26-2005 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Lord     send a private message to Larry Lord   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Larry Lord
In my quest to give my Prowler an even softer than I get by using a Wonder Bar, I've been working on this project for over a year now and am very happy to finally see it nearing completion.

I'm having 4 new springs made by a major spring manufacturer and should receive them late next week.
When I get the front springs, I'll install them and then test them while on my way to and from the Deadwood event. Since I'm towing a trailer with a heavy load to Deadwood, I don't want to change the rear springs just yet. After Deadwood, I will install the rear springs.
If everything goes as expected, my car will be about 3/4" lower in the front and will have a much softer ride. Yes, even better than it is with using the Wonder Bar.
The rear will be lowered by about 1/2"-3/4". After the rear springs are installed the ride should improve even more.

Prices for my prototype springs are very high but a production run should bring the prices into a moderate range of $100.00-$150.00 each. I'll post more information after I get the front springs installed.

Anybody interested in either 2 or 4 spring packages?
You will use your own shocks and will be able to save your old springs for reinstallation if you want. I'll probably offer spring installation onto your shocks if they are sent to me but the job can be done by experinced installers in your area.

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This message has been edited by Larry Lord on 05-27-2005 at 12:49 AM

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OK Lord,,,,I'm ready to name the new product:

1. Final Touch Suspension Springs

2. Wonder Springs

3. Soft Wonder Suspension Springs

4. Lord Help-us Springs

5. more to follow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Larry - how much improvement in ride quality do you think the springs alone - without the wonderbar - would give you? The extra lowering will look cool for sure.
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Sounds interesting. Would it not make sense to use a set of other shocks like aldaneagle coil over hot rod shocks for the front. They have a little bit more travel and are have 3 coils with different spring rate to try. The shock have adjustable rebound to. In the Street Rod scene more and more Rods use air-ride systems. We have it in 3 Hot Rods and its perfect. Soft or sport ride, and you can park it low down.
But, the right spring will be a no trouble option !

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posted 05-27-2005 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chromer     send a private message to Chromer   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Chromer
Larry,

Your torsion brace certainly improved the ability of my '99 car to manage unexpected potholes. I'm confident your spring packgage would perform up to expectations as well.

You have a private message.

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quote:
Originally posted by ALLEY CAT:
OK Lord,,,,I'm ready to name the new product:

1. Final Touch Suspension Springs

2. Wonder Springs

3. Soft Wonder Suspension Springs

4. Lord Help-us Springs

5. more to follow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


how about...
....'the LORDS HEAVENLY RIDE' ....no more teeth chattering while crossing railroad tracks, no more soft drinks flying out of the cup holder when hitting a pothole...saves unwanted wear and tear on your a$$.....

............"LIKE RIDING ON A CLOUD"

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posted 05-27-2005 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TLRandall     send a private message to TLRandall   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by TLRandall
AC - I vote for #4!!!
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Tom - I'm leaning between #4 and #1
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quote:
Originally posted by tangled up in BLUE:
how about...
....'the LORDS HEAVENLY RIDE' ....no more teeth chattering while crossing railroad tracks, no more soft drinks flying out of the cup holder when hitting a pothole...saves unwanted wear and tear on your a$$.....

............"LIKE RIDING ON A CLOUD"


Tangled,
I like your ad suggestion for the springs. That pretty much describes the difference when using a Wonder Bar.
You REALLY need to install a Wonder Bar while you have your gold car torn apart and you have easy access. You'll be amazed at the difference.

A/C,
Pretty good so far but keep trying.

Chromer,
Thank you for your e-mail.
Chromer wrote that he would prefer not to lower his car.

It's not too late to make a final decision on spring heights for the production run.
What would most people like?

Would you like to lower your car a little or would you prefer to keep the ride height stock??

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5. Cloud 9 - Shocks and Springs

Since a cat has nine lives,,,,,,,,,,,,,

6. Xtreme Difference

7. SYR Lord's Suspension

S = soften Y = your R = ride

8. COLTON CLIMAX - Shocks/Springs

9. SECOND STRIKE by FMBox

10. FIRST FLIGHT Suspension

11. LORD RIDERS

12. FMB Shocks/Springs F-eel M-ore B-alance

13.

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Larry,

I would be interested in a complete 4 spring set. Your products have always been as advertised and top quality.

I would request keeping the ride height stock.

Thanks
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quote:
Originally posted by Larry Lord:
Would you like to lower your car a little or would you prefer to keep the ride height stock??

Are you proposing the lower ride height strictly for appearance purposes, or is there a performance difference? Based on Dan's graphics, there's a substantial change in front-end geometry. What was your thought-process for going lower?

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My thoughts for lowering are strictly cosmetic. I had just assumed that most people would like to lower their cars a little. Dans graphic shows about a 4" drop. That's far more than I'm doing for my own car.

Keeping the ride heights stock actually makes my job a little easier and that's the way I'm leaning right now for the production run of springs. Stock heights will allow for more spring travel and will not effect the alignment in any way.

Lowering the car decreases spring travel and can effect alignment but since the lowering is minimal I doubt the need for re-alignment but still will recommend it. I do however still need to research the bump steer and camber increase/decrease factors before I put any lowering springs on the market.
At this time and from the limited interest in lowering, I'll probably keep the ride height very near stock.

One thing I hadn't said yet that I was planning on making the softer riding lowering springs and then using a short spacer to get the stock ride height for those that want to keep their car at stock height. There is plenty of travel in the springs to allow the use of differing height spacers without getting into coil binding problems.

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If they fit the 99 and back shocks count me in for the all 4 if they are around 100-120 bucks or so. Because the early cars were lower then the 00 and up cars will these springs lower us more or keep use the same. (I have not lloked at the shocks to closely but I assuem that they are a threaded coilover correct.


Also with people swapping out springs will the OEM softer ones with the 99 and back cars.

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Larry, I'm in for a complete set. Get two test sets and I'll test them on the way to Deadwood also!!
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Sounds good but i think the car is low enough for a daily driver. I crunch my teeth when I see debris in the road and I can't get around it!

By the way...stay with the tried and true....it has to be Wonder Springs!


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Larry Im in for a 99
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Larry,
Stock height
Softer ride
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my Prowler already drags the ground all around my neighborhood...lowering would not work for me....


but I will try a Wonder Bra for the soon to be Tangelo Kat.....my buddy Mr. Ed has one on his 99 Kat, and it does make a big difference....

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You may need some skid plates to go with the springs...
Is there any way to get the softer ride and keep the ground clearance stock ?
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my Prowler already drags the ground all around my neighborhood...lowering would not work for me....


but I will try a Wonder Bra for the soon to be Tangelo Kat........


your looking for "lift and separate " or is it a cleavage issue ?

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quote:
Originally posted by halicat:
your looking for "lift and separate " or is it a cleavage issue ?


...at my age, they sag...

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I picked up the prototype front springs today.

They were not made the way I designed them but they should work well for testing purposes.
Because they had the material in stock and I had asked for expedited service, the manufacturer used thicker material which makes the spring stronger but compensated by using more coils to make the spring weaker. The finished spring rate is exactly what I requested but the springs weigh more than I would like, due to the extra coil windings. It's a long and complicated formula so just trust me on this. Unsprung weight is important and I don't want to compromise my original design so this set will be used for testing purposes only. The production run will look different but will act the same in the car.
I'll post some pictures later tonight if I have the time.

I'll get them installed in my car by the weekend and should have something to "road test" report by Sunday

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Lowering the front even 1 inch, I couldn't get in my driveway. Softer ride or not, that would limit where I could go. Sorry, but I need the clearance

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