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Boost	We manufacture a self-contained and self-controlled variable turbocharger that is ideal for people who are converting naturally aspirated applications to forced induction due to the fact that you do not need oil lines, a turbo timer, a boost controller, or wastegate but the true advantage of these turbos is that they are variable-vane which allows boost to be built almost instantly. We make kits for nearly every kind of vehicle: cars, motorcycles, snowmobiles, ATVs, UTVs, watercraft, and even UAVs for the military. A few of our current projects include a twin-turbo Pontiac G8 which ran an 11.00 ET @ 130mph with a stock engine aside from our turbos at 10psi and a cat-back exhaust. Another project that I have been working on currently is the Porsche 930, which suffers heavily from turbo lag from the factory. By simply making a kit utilizing our turbo at stock boost levels the 930 will behave like a completely different machine. Personally I've always been a fan of the Prowler but like others was disappointed about the engine chosen for these cars. However these cars would be a great application for our turbo. The question is if we built a kit for these cars would anybody even be interested? I won't claim to know the Prowler aftermarket inside and out but it seems that there aren't too many modified Prowlers out there. Of course this could simply be due to the fact that there is a serious lack of performance modifications for these cars. I welcome any opinions ------------------ //////////www.AEROCHARGER.com////////// Variable-Vane | Self-Contained | No-Lag
DFOTOPRO	it would depend on several factors horse power gain cost reliability added heat solve these and I think you would sell a bunch if I was closer I would offer you a test car DJ
Mike Downey	What would a ball park price be for this? Have all the same questions as above but am only a short 3 hour drive away.
catfish	where in the car would you be doing the install. ------------------
Boost	quote: Originally posted by DFOTOPRO: it would depend on several factors horse power gain cost reliability added heat solve these and I think you would sell a bunch if I was closer I would offer you a test car DJ Power: First thing is I would replace "horsepower" with fun factor or something of the sort. Like with our Porsche project for example. While only running stock boost the car will feel twice as fast simply because it will be making all of it's power throughout nearly the entire power band instead of only making power way up top. Apply that to these cars which will probably only require 6-10psi max. It won't respond like a conventional turbo where there is lag. And it won't respond like a supercharger that slowly builds boost on an rpm dependent basis. Instead it will make full boost by 2500rpm at the latest. This will make a huge seat-of-the-pants difference, as it does on all of our applications. The amount of horsepower we can add is simply limited to the engine itself. If somebody can supply me with some specs on these motors I can run the numbers and figure out which turbos of ours we can use. Some information I would need would be compression ratio and volumetric efficiency, but just having the basics (displacement, horsepower, and comp ratio) would be enough to get things figured out. Cost: What would be great is if we could get away with only needing to run one of our large turbos. This would cut down on costs immensely and also cut down on installation efforts and added weight. Reliability: Our turbos are very strong when used within their limits, like any turbo or supercharger. Because of our unique bearing design our turbos are somewhat limited to 20psi. Anything over that and you start getting into reliability issues. However this application, like the rest of ours, will not require boost levels near the point of unreliability. Heat: Our turbos use a few slick technological innovations to reduce heat. First of which would be the lubrication system. The turbos are self-contained meaning they have their own oil reservoir, a specially designed high-speed bearing oil, and a wick system that lightly mists the bearings as they spin. Less friction means less heat. The fact that they do not require engine oil for lubrication alone is huge as a hot turbo is surely heating up the engine oil to extremes as it passes through the turbo bearing assembly. Our oil is housed within the coldest section of the turbo: the front of the compressor housing. Where cold air is constantly passing by it and drawing heat away. The air is then passed through the turbo, compressed, and sent through the intercooler to be cooled once again before it enters the engine. In addition to the above our turbos also use high temperature material to separate heat form the turbine housing to the compressor housing, keeping the exhaust heat away from the air going into the motor. Each turbo also has a specially formed heat shield on the exhaust side to stop radiant heat from heating components around the turbo. More detailed explanations of our turbos and the technology that goes into them can be found on our site: Aerocharger Technology Now onto the subject of where they would be mounted. I only have pictures to go off of here as I do not own a prowler. But there seems to be more than adequate room up front with the factory headers. Our G8 didn't look like it had room but we managed to fit two of our big turbos under there and even still use the factory headers. If anybody has pictures of a stock prowler from below and pictures of the side of the car with the panels on either side of the engine bay off that would be a huge help. (Pardon my ignorance if there is a different name for those panels one these cars i.e. sail panels, etc.)
LAwil	Xciting stuff.
stprinz	i'm interested but for shure everthing depends on the facotrs that DFOTOPRO were asking......overall costs and reliability.
BeWare	I would also be interested depending on the factors listed above. Maybe a Prowler onwer in you area could bring one for you to check out. Anyone?
BeWare	For 1997 Prowlers - 3,518 cc 3.5 liters 6 V 90° front longitudinal engine with 96 mm bore, 81 mm stroke, 9.6 compression ratio, cast iron block, light alloy head, overhead cam, automatic valve adjustment and four valves per cylinder - Power: 160 kW , 214 HP @ 5,850 rpm; 221 ft lb @ 3,100 rpm For 1999 and newer Prowlers I am finding some conflicting data on the compression ratio 1) • 3,518 cc 3.5 liters 6 V front engine with 96 mm bore, 81 mm stroke, 10 compression ratio, overhead cam and four valves per cylinder . Aluminum Block • Multi-point injection fuel system • Power: SAE and 189 kW , 253 HP @ 6,400 rpm; 255 ft lb , 346 Nm @ 3,950 rpm 2) Engine type V-6 Engine displacement 215 cu.in. Engine horsepower 253-hp @ 6,400 rpm Engine torque 255 lbs.-ft. @ 3,950 rpm Valvetrain SOHC Valves 24 Engine bore x stroke 3.8" x 3.2" Compression ratio 9.90 to 1 3) 1999 Plymouth Prowler See all Plymouth models Bore × stroke 96.00 mm × 81.00 mm 3.78 in × 3.19 in Cylinders V-6 in 60.0° vee Displacement 3.5 litre 3518 cc (214.682 cu in) Type SOHC 4 valves per cylinder 24 valves in total Construction aluminium alloy block & heads Sump Wet sumped Compression ratio 9.90:1 Fuel system SMPFi Maximum power (SAEnet) 256.5 PS (253.0 bhp) (188.7 kW) @ 6400 rpm Specific output 71.9 bhp/litre 1.18 bhp/cu in Maximum torque (SAEnet) 346.0 Nm (255 ft·lb) (35.3 kgm) @ 3950 rpm bmep 1235.9 kPa (179.3 psi) Specific torque 98.35 Nm/litre Maximum rpm 6800 rpm This message has been edited by BeWare on 09-30-2009 at 09:48 AM
DFOTOPRO	went to their website to see what they have snowmobile kit $ 6,500 no price for the G8 ???
Boost	Our snowmobile kits are top notch, the best in the industry. Our kits are also among the most expensive, the best technology does not come cheap. However with our turbos there is no need for an external wastegate, boost controller, or turbo timer. All of which are costly and when added together with the price of a conventional turbo they easily equal or surpass the cost of our turbochargers. Yet ours will still spool twice as fast. Our G8 kit is a different beast. It is a very complex kit with some very intricate parts that really ad up in cost. Our goal with the G8 kit was to make the most bolt on horsepower and get people the fastest time at the track. Everything down to air volume at the throttle body was considered. In addition to performance we also include custom engine covers and a complex radiator shroud that is form fitting to our massive intake pipe. Each of which require a significant amount of time and effort to create. Prototype components: Production components: All of these things added to the fact that it's a twin turbo application with the biggest turbos we make and twice the piping makes this a pretty expensive kit. Depending on options we have quoted a few people just under $10k for the G8 kit installed. However I see the Prowler requiring FAR less intricate piping and fabrication, cutting that cost down significantly. Especially if I could get away with only needing to run one of our big 66 turbos instead of two 53 turbos. That alone would cut the cost of the kit down immensely. In my eyes building an affordable kit is equally as important as building a kit that out performs the other options the owner has for their application, whatever their application may be. ------------------ //////////www.AEROCHARGER.com////////// Variable-Vane | Self-Contained | No-Lag
GOATFALLS	no offence meant, but, why in the world would anybody need a turbo on a snowmobile?
GOATFALLS	well I can't stand it, if it costs that much to put one on a glorified lawnmower, I can't imagine how much it would cost to put one on our cars, and in this economy, you may be barking up the wrong tree, bob
LastRide	I might be interested. Like others and yourself said, affordability and reliability would be a big factor. If you can get away with running one of your big single 66 turbo's without taking a hit on power would be a plus. Hopefully you can get your hands on a Prowler and see whats involved. Someone did build a twin turbo for the Prowler but only 2 were made, and was expensive and not in production. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmTGNTWre9s
catfish	im guessing 8.000.00,and you think your car runs hot now!just wait. ------------------
xtreme prowler	I was quoted by a New Brunswick Company to twin turbo my Prowler $9000 CDN everything included in and out. he said they would fit above the exhaust manifolds... $5000 to do one... I didn't ask any details but he did have a good look at the car... I get in enough trouble with the HP I have now..
dbudner	Would be neat to see someone do it and get an idea of the cost and what is really involved. I'm guessing that there are people that can afford what ever this would cost and would bet that's the tree he's barking up. I'm just afraid of heat and dependability. The trans would be replaced in scene 3 if this really came off as its proposed. The 146 HP Victory bike has to be scary though! This message has been edited by dbudner on 10-01-2009 at 04:56 PM
LAwil	I am sooooo excited with all the developments that various vendors are proposing to improve the power on the prowler. It is obviously to everyones advantage if this can be made affordable for the masses. Good stuff. ------------------
dooboy	would you have more info on the porsche 930 conversion? i've owned one for 16 years, i just love the car, getting rid of the turbo lag would make me like it more.
spoons	Boost, Where would you locate the turbos? The ideal setup and location for Prowler would be two small twin turbos intigrated in the headers (aft of where they come together and before the muffler). That is about the only location for the the turbos in the engine bay. I have seen turbos installed near the tail pipe of various cars, but there is too much lag back there. Brian
Boost	My thought was that either two of our small turbos could be mounted at the end of each header or one large turbo mounted on one side of the engine bay with a cross-pipe from the opposite header. I still need to run the numbers in our calculator to see which turbo(s) would be idea for this application. I apologize for putting this aside as I have been incredibly busy trying to get this Porsche done.
Joseph Mark	No worries, Boost!! Just keep us updated! Thanks, Joseph
dudeuconfuseme	Guys keep in mind, bang for the buck.....for $7-$8000 there better be a hell of alot of bang!
WildCat	Just have to wonder where Butchcee's car is. He had twin turbo's on his Prowler. Ida Automotive is who did the work. It has been many years since I've seen him post and think he sold the car. So Twin Turbo's has been done (do a search and you can probably find so info on it) and could be done again. I don't ever remember reading any details once it was completed as far as performance. OK I went back and did a search. this even includes the pictures after install Not trying to highjack this just for imformation http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000468.html ------------------ Larry & Sue Mayes This message has been edited by WildCat on 10-10-2009 at 05:32 PM
idive	Butchcee's car at last sighting (April 07) was owned by someone in the Houston area.