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Ron Fournier October 13, 2015 The embattled front-runner won herself a news cycle or two, because she stretched the truth and played to a friendly audience. It won’t always be so. It took more than an hour before CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Clinton about the covert email system she established as secretary of State in defiance of federal regulations, subverting the Freedom of Information Act, thwarting congressional oversight, and jeopardizing U.S. secrets. And, even then, her chief rival offered Clinton cover. “What I did was allowed by the State Department,” said the woman who headed the State Department, “but it wasn’t the best choice.” Clinton noted that the GOP-led Benghazi committee—the panel that discovered her rogue email system—is on record trying to undermine her credibility. GOP partisans were partisan, and yet, she dramatically declared, “I’m still standing.” The Democratic crowd roared. “I think the secretary is right,” said Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, a populist threatening Clinton from the left. “The American people are sick and tired of hearing about emails.” Professional Democrats and the party’s strongest voters are certainly tired of hearing about the email scandal, but it’s not going to go away—not with the FBI investigating whether confidential information was mishandled under Clinton’s system, and not with independent voters losing faith in Clinton’s word. Character and judgment are gateway political issues. An untrustworthy candidate might check all your policy boxes, might tickle your ideological buttons, and might even grind away long enough to get your vote—but you’re not going to like it. That is Clinton’s problem. Like it was in 2008, her character is the issue that threatens to consume all others. The email scandal recalls questions about Clinton’s integrity that go back to the Rose Law Firm/Whitewater and the White House Travel Office. Flip-flopping on the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the Keystone XL pipeline add weight to the argument made by Democrats and Republicans alike that Clinton is a malleable opportunist. There are many people, including me, who know a side of Clinton that is strong (2012: “What I Learned Covering Hillary Clinton”) and compelling (2013: “Best Bet for a Third Clinton Term is If She Runs as the ‘Real Hillary’—warm, open, and honest”), which makes her actions this year shamefully inept (“Memo to Hillary: You’re Still The Problem”). On the day of the debate, two stories underscored Clinton’s vulnerability. That’s certainly how Bill and Hillary Clinton interpreted the story, according to three people who talked to them today. “They’re pissed,” said one. “How to Beat Hillary Clinton” by the New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza, featured an October 2007 memo by aides to then-Sen. Barack Obama signaling their successful character attack against Clinton. She “can’t be trusted or believed” … “She’s driven by political calculation” … “She embodies trench warfare vs. Republicans … “She prides herself on working the system, not changing it.” While held in high favor with Democrats and leading the field in national polls, Clinton is struggling to build enthusiasm behind her nomination bid. On that narrow cause, she may have helped herself Tuesday night. Crisp and firm, Clinton challenged Sanders’s electability and found cover behind President Obama when the subject turned to her support of the Iraq war. Noting that Obama bludgeoned her with the Iraq vote during their 2008 contest, Clinton said, “He valued my judgment and I spent a lot of time with him in the Situation Room going over some very difficult issues.” One of those issues, she offered with confident nonchalance, was killing Osama bin Laden. In virtually the next breath, Clinton pushed back against another rival, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, by noting dryly, “I was pleased when Governor O’Malley endorsed me for president in 2008.” She challenged Sanders’s negative statements about capitalism and his embrace of Denmark-style socialism. Pledging to “save capitalism from itself,” Clinton said, “We are not Denmark. I love Denmark. We are the United States of America.” In her bid to raise questions about Sanders’s ability to win a general election campaign, the issue was a layup. Sanders and O’Malley said Clinton isn’t tough enough on trade, noting that she only recently abandoned her support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership to curry favor with the party’s union friends. Was it a flip-flop? “I did say when I was secretary of State three years ago that I hoped it would be the gold standard,” Clinton said. She was misquoting herself, adding the “I hoped” caveat. Here’s what she actually said at the time: “This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field.” See how she does it? It worked Tuesday night. She won. She survived and won with a performance that was as dishonest as it was impressive, that benefited from a friendly crowd and weak field. When Lincoln Chafee, the field’s Rhode Island cipher, dared to criticize Clinton on the email issue, Cooper asked her if she wanted to respond. “No,” she replied. The crowd roared. "I never took a position on Keystone until I took a position on Keystone." and That way, voters will know that "she's just like us" "I never took a position on Keystone until I took a position on Keystone." and She talks out of both sides of her azz. Proof she'll say anything to get elected. She assumes the people in the US are really stupid w/comments like that. Those who help to anoint her majesty and crown her President will be enjoying eating rainbow stew with a silver spoon, the sun will always shine, birds will sing, flower will bloom, etc, etc...... .....And those nasty old rich Republicans will pay for it all!!....WOO HOO! I would restate that to say: She KNOWS the people who WILL vote for her ARE Stupid ... she lied how many times? Responsible for how may atrocities, and yet ... still will likely get elected by the mass of morons! This message has been edited by bjprowler on 10-14-2015 at 08:02 PM BeWare Front-runner’s performance was as good as it was dishonest
Hillary Clinton won. She won because she’s a strong debater. She won because Bernie Sanders is not. She won because the first Democratic presidential debate focused on liberal policies—and not her email scandal or character.
“A ‘Cancer’ on the Clinton Candidacy” by Politico’s Glenn Thrush and Annie Karni climbs inside the Clinton campaign to describe a paranoid candidate with mediocre political skills refusing advice of staff to come clean on the email issue. “We need to throw the facts to the dogs, and let ‘em chew on it,” senior advisor John Podesta reportedly told the candidate. In the deeply reported story based on interviews with 50 advisers, donors, Democratic operatives, and friends, Clinton’s team appears to throw her under the bus.
Sanders faced criticism from Clinton and O’Malley for voting to protect gun manufacturers, an issue at odds with a Democratic base that is lurching leftward. When Cooper asked if Sanders is tough enough on guns, Clinton said, “No, not at all.”
http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/90050/hillary-clinton-won-wont-always-be-this-way BeWare Two of my favorite Hillary quotes from last night debate.
"I have a five point economic plan, because this inequality challenge we face, we have faced it at other points. It's absolutely right. It hasn't been this bad since the 1920s. But if you look at the Republicans versus the Democrats when it comes to economic policy, there is no comparison. The economy does better when you have a Democrat in the White House and that's why we need to have a Democrat in the White House in January 2017."
Hello Hillary! If it true it's worse than is been since the 1920's and we have had a Democrat President for 7 years. So why has the economy not done better? Is this statement not a contradiction?bjprowler What Hillary needs now is her own private Boeing 757 with "Hillary" spelled out in eight foot block letters on the side...... ALLEY CAT Bill & Hillary feel our pain...... silverkat quote:
Originally posted by BeWare:
Two of my favorite Hillary quotes from last night debate.
"I have a five point economic plan, because this inequality challenge we face, we have faced it at other points. It's absolutely right. It hasn't been this bad since the 1920s. But if you look at the Republicans versus the Democrats when it comes to economic policy, there is no comparison. The economy does better when you have a Democrat in the White House and that's why we need to have a Democrat in the White House in January 2017."
Hello Hillary! If it true it's worse than is been since the 1920's and we have had a Democrat President for 7 years. So why has the economy not done better? Is this statement not a contradiction?bjprowler Silverkat, if you keep bad mouthing Hillary, the word will get out and you'll not get any of all the "free stuff" that she and Bernie promise..... silverkat BJ AC, who is western regional campaign manager, has told me that Donald is so appreciative of my undying support I will get a no show job at one of his golf courses here on the east coast so I'll be OK. Thanks for worrying about me though. Now is it true that you had a debate party last night co hosted by yourself and Debbie Wasserman Schultz? StingRay quote:
Originally posted by silverkat:
She assumes the people in the US are really stupid w/comments like that.Landscape Doctor The only thing I got out of that debate was all the free stuff that I will be helping pay for. bjprowler Silverkat....Debbie and I aren't speaking......I had been working as an underground mole for the RNC for the past seven years and somehow she found out that I'm a registered Republican.....The word is that some squealers living in Mesa, Arizona and a redneck trailer park in "upstate" New York "ratted" me out..... silverkat We like to refer to them as "Double Wides" up here. ALLEY CAT ,,,,,,,,,,"some squealers living in Mesa, Az"....."
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