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posted 06-21-2014 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EdsCat     send a private message to EdsCat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by EdsCat
This comes up every now an then on the forum, but here it is again.

I need a PCM for my 1999 Cat. Took mine to an outfit that can diagnose and repair PCM's.

They determined they could not repair it, so I'm looking for one to purchase.

Chrysler parts said, "None available, and will not be available either." Help...

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posted 06-21-2014 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for beachcat     send a private message to beachcat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by beachcat
Ed, if you have no luck, you could ask that same company if they can re-program the Canadian car pcm we discussed.
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"Chrysler parts said, "None available, and will not be available either." Help..."


So much for FIAT LLC......

No wonder their FIAT 500, 2014 model, was named in the recent "worst 5 2014 vehicles" along with a Jeep model!

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Originally posted by EdsCat:
This comes up every now an then on the forum, but here it is again.

I need a PCM for my 1999 Cat. Took mine to an outfit that can diagnose and repair PCM's.

They determined they could not repair it, so I'm looking for one to purchase.

Chrysler parts said, "None available, and will not be available either." Help...


The dreaded Prowler Store says they repair them and lifetime guarantee. They also sell them new and used supposedly. THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION. Just in case you didn't know.

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http://aesmodules.com/

Try this. It's worth a call to ask.

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Originally posted by Gort:
http://aesmodules.com/

Try this. It's worth a call to ask.



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They can not repair them I've tried them

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That is the place that has my PCM now. After diagnostics, they say they can't repair it.

Now, I'm not sure what that means. Does it mean their diagnostics are reliable, and my PCM is toast? Or does it mean they just don't have the ability, equipment, or knowledge to fix it?

I'm disappointed that Chrysler does not step up to help us with this critical part. I know they don't have to maintain inventory after a period of time legally, however it would be nice to see them offer their customers some options. Especially in the case of something so critical that the car won't run without it. They could do it, but customer service never was a strong point with them and does not seem to be getting any better.

I just sent the following letter to Chrysler Customer Service. It may be a futile effort, but I'm desperate, as many of us are - or will be:
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The PCM computer in my 1999 Plymouth Prowler is defective. I’ve call Chrysler Parts, and I’m told they are no longer available, and have no plans to make them available in the future. There are thousands of Prowler owners in the U.S. and around the world. The cars are dead without a functioning PCM. I’ve tried to go outside to get it repaired, but have had no luck.

Even if you don’t maintain an inventory, I believe you owe it to your loyal customers to provide some route to find this critical piece of equipment. I have many, many thousands of dollars invested in this car since I purchased it 14 years ago. To simply tell your customers “it is no longer available” is not acceptable customer service.

Is there something you can do to help us? Many of us are in, or will be in, this situation. We need to be able to purchase reliable, working PCM’s for our vehicles to keep them running.

Advise please. Thank you.

This message has been edited by EdsCat on 06-22-2014 at 05:52 AM

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I'm afraid your only recourse is the Prowler store in Florida. It might be a bit pricey but what other options are available to us Prowler owners? None that I am aware of.
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I wonder if the Prowler store has fixed the issue of theirs not being able to operate the gauges/speedo etc... that's the last ting I heard about their PCM's... Weren't they rebuilding Intrepid PCM's ?

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This thread is from last year.
http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004779.html
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Originally posted by xtreme prowler:
I wonder if the Prowler store has fixed the issue of theirs not being able to operate the gauges/speedo etc... that's the last ting I heard about their PCM's... Weren't they rebuilding Intrepid PCM's ?

That's what I've heard.

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It sounds as though the PCM was available through Chrysler last year, and now it is not. Now, the Prowler Store is selling units that may or may not restore the Prowler to original function. Is that correct?

Question: how is parting out salvage Prowlers for parts like this?

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posted 06-22-2014 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
Parting out a salvage Prowler will probably be a smart investment, if not now, it will be in the near future.
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Where or how would a person buy a salvage Prowler? On eBay? There must be a better way!
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Did you get the pm I sent with the information ?
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I did get the PM. Been gone most of the day. Just got home. I will send you a reply later. Thank you.

(All of you actually! Got a few more PM's, and I'm working through the possibilities. Thank you all.)

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Please keep us informed Ed and good luck!
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As info, I talked to the Prowler Store about their PCM's. I told them about the many complaints I had heard about their PCM's, and the problem with gauges not working.

They admitted to the problem, but said that was a couple of years ago. They were trying to use other PCM's as Chrysler Parts were out of stock originals. But, then Chrysler had more new ones available, so the Prowler Store bought a bunch of them, and that is what they have now. From the factory and programmed by the factory.

I also asked about the "rebuilt ones with programming" advertised on their website. I was informed that there are only new ones now. Very expensive new ones - $ 1,795.00 - $1,895.00 - Price subject to change without notice.

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Wouldn't a PCM from a 300M from the wreckers do the job?
Should be lots around at a good price.
Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Jim Kenney:
Wouldn't a PCM from a 300M from the wreckers do the job?
Should be lots around at a good price.
Just a thought.

I agree as they most definitely should work.

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So would it be fair to say $2k to get it going ?

That may be the most expensive part on the car other than an engine ..right?

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Originally posted by Gort:
So would it be fair to say $2k to get it going ?

That may be the most expensive part on the car other than an engine ..right?


The tub is over $20K
Frame is over $6K

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Originally posted by beachcat:
The tub is over $20K
Frame is over $6K


I think most insurance companies would think about a total loss before a tub would be in the plan. OOOCH big bucks. I think State Farms magic number is 60%. If repairs go higher they just write a check for total loss.I have State Farm at a fixed price loss total loss.

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To clarify something about ECM - PCM - I pulled this from the web:


What Is the Difference Between a PCM and ECM?

Many people, including professionals, get confused by all the acronyms used in automobile mechanics. A PCM or powertrain control module is different from an ECM or engine or electronic control module, even though most people believe the two are the same.

Most modern or newer models only have a PCM, which controls all the engine functions, where the ECM only controlled certain parts of the engine.

Failure Signs

The automobile will operate differently when the ECM or PCM has failed. Some of the first systems of failure are that the engine will cough, choke or stall, because the PCM is not regulating the fuel mixture going into the fuel injectors. Since the ignition spark and crankshaft position are controlled by the PCM, the vehicle will not start if the computer is not working to control these functions. Almost every warning light on the instrument panel will begin to turn off and on randomly. The computer's monitor systems, such as the ABS and Check Engine warnings, alert the operator. When the PCM or ECM fails, the system is not getting the correct information and this causes all the warning lights to flicker on and off.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/info_8677381_difference-between-pcm-ecm.html

This message has been edited by EdsCat on 06-30-2014 at 07:03 AM

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Thanks for the info Ed!

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