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Laddie Roussel >POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Hester, LA. USA |
posted 11-25-2003 05:34 PM
On my trip to NY/CT late Oct. early Nov., I visited Evans Cooling and met with Steve Pressley (VP & Gen. Mgr.) at their HQ & shop in Sharon, CT. Steve took me around the shop and discussed what they have done for the Prowler. They have a direct bolt-in replacement radiator for the Prowler. I was surprised at all the technical complexities involved in developing a cooling system solution. They have tested their radiator and NPG+ product on someone's Prowler in the Houston area. I think this may be Wayne ? "Waynew"'s Prowler in this link: http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001293.html Ida Automotive has also used the NPG+ fluids in the 3rd Twin Turbo Prowler installation they completed in the last few months... The Evans Prowler aluminum radiator has twice the capacity of the stock Prowler radiator. Steve said they estimate the total cooling system capacity is increased by 50%. The Evans Prowler radiator includes two (2) 1" aluminum fins replacing the two 1/2" copper fins in the stock (not sure what the stock is made of - I know it is not aluminum).... Evans contracts some of the mfg. work out for some of their radiator designs. However, the Prowler radiator is built by Evans and stocked at their PA facility. If you have any questions, I suggest giving Evans a call. Here's a comparison of 1/2' fins next to 1" fins. Again, these fins are made of aluminum versus the steel or copper in the stock Prowler radiator. Here's a picture of another Evans radiator similar to the Evans Prowler radiator...
Here's link to Evans Cooling web site. Http://www.evanscooling.com/index2.html Here's link to Prowler Pro web site. Http://www.prowlerpro.com/home.php In addition to the Prowler, they were working a external thermostat solution for the LS1 Corvette motor. The LS1 has a similar setup to the Prowler motor (99 & up) where the thermostat is on the intake side. Steve said this setup requires a thermostat 15 degrees lower than one on the output side of a thermostat to achieve the same normal operating temperature. They're leaning toward a German external mechanical thermostat for the LS1... And, I saw a new water pump for the new Hi HP Cobra mustangs where they've developed a new impeller with more fins...
Steve Pressley (VP & Gen. Mgr.) Of Evans Cooling next to my Yellow Kat... One other bit of information I learned was that if you use their NPG+ product you must remove all the water from the cooling system. Just removing the radiator hose will not get all the water from the block. You may have to remove a couple of drain plugs on the block. Another product they sell can be used to ensure you have properly prepped the system. You add this liquid to a drained radiator and running the car for 15 minutes and than redraining the system. Any questions should be directed to Evans Cooling... I want to thank Steve Pressley for taking the time and giving me a tour around the shop. ------------------ |
dpena POA Site Supporter Administrating Kat Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement Personal ScrapBook From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara |
posted 11-25-2003 06:09 PM
Hey Laddie, My radiator is a 4 row, serpintine radiator with dimpled tubes. That is the water flows like "S" through the radiator so it will go accross the fan 3 times.
Later... ------------------ |
dpena POA Site Supporter Administrating Kat Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement Personal ScrapBook From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara |
posted 11-25-2003 06:20 PM
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Neal & Mary Ann Bardens POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lowell Indiana USA |
posted 11-27-2003 07:18 PM
Thanks for the information. I like the idea of the radiator might give it a shot. Neal ------------------ |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 11-27-2003 11:02 PM
I strongly suggess this gets tested in a authentic "hot" running car first. Dan, I and others have spent high dollars for a over sized radiator, with no significant change in temp rising and falling. Not saying it's not a good product, but this has been tried before. |
WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 12-02-2003 07:14 AM
I have the Evans Radiator in my 99 prowler for over 6 months now with no thermostat and all my over heating problems are gone!!! 100+ Texas heat, A/C on max, Pulling a trailer with 20" wheels, 70 MPH, with a Metal Crafter front grill that only lets in about 2/3 the air of a normal grill, and no problems with over heating. Now that it is cold in Texas (below 40) the car warms up no problem. The People at Evens are the best. This would be great at the track, you could do run after run without overheating!! ------------------ |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 12-02-2003 12:20 PM
Waynew, your running no thermostat at all? I didn't the car's computer would let you do that without messing up. That could the answer right there alone. Hmmmmmmm |
WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 12-02-2003 01:52 PM
No thermostat and NPG+ fluid. It's the total package that makes it work. |
Gene POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St.Petersburg,Fl USA |
posted 12-02-2003 05:13 PM
No thermostat is a problem all your info.for compter is based on temp,speed,load.If computer reads low temps.it thinks eng not warm yet and feeds more fuel plus other problems.It allows water to flow to fast thru radiator without properly cooling.I would think if it works better without thermostat your orginal was bad.All cars w/computer MUST have a 195 thermostat. |
WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 12-02-2003 06:03 PM
Gene: With the other coolants you would be correct, but this time you are misinformed because of the different way Evans coolant works. To get the technical answer as to how this works you have to call Steve at Evans cooling but Evans cooling said I could take out the thermostat without any problems because of the way their coolant works and they are correct. Today the car was up to temp in less then 3 miles, and always runs in the same temp range in the heat of summer or the cold of Texas winter (right in the middle) If you drive the car in Minnesota winters you would have to put in a thermostat, but I live in Texas. Tell me what problem I should be having so I can look for it. But this systems works for me and is much better then overheating on a regular basis. ------------------ |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 12-02-2003 08:00 PM
That's really interesting, anyone else use this fluid yet? |
Gene POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St.Petersburg,Fl USA |
posted 12-02-2003 09:24 PM
My car has never gone beyond half way driving fast or city w/AC on.Now, I'm not running a supercharger or any other mod.to engine so maybe that is reason I've never had a problem.As everone knows it does get hot in Florida[July-Aug]so what ever works is good. Gene |
Gene POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St.Petersburg,Fl USA |
posted 12-02-2003 09:24 PM
My car has never gone beyond half way driving fast or city w/AC on.Now, I'm not running a supercharger or any other mod.to engine so maybe that is reason I've never had a problem.As everone knows it does get hot in Florida[July-Aug]so what ever works is good. Gene |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 12-02-2003 09:56 PM
I agree. But there are more than a few of us owners with hot running cars. Most have the supercharger or other items on them. A few of us have gone to the expense of new, larger radiators with no success. I would really like to know if anyone else that had previous problems and now have none using this fluid. Thanks |
Todd Cameron unregistered Personal ScrapBook Admin Use |
posted 01-09-2004 02:54 AM
What exactly is this fluid and how does it differe from the factory "you MUST run this" Orange coolant? ------------------ |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 01-09-2004 08:31 AM
Glad you brought this up again Todd. No one has responded to my question. Would really like to hear from someone who ACTUALLY DONE THIS???. A live person with proven results. I still have my heat issue when the supercharger is in. |
WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 01-09-2004 07:39 PM
quote: (as stated above) I have the Evans Radiator and fluid in my 99 prowler for over 6 months now with no thermostat and all my over heating problems are gone!!! 100+ Texas heat, A/C on max, Pulling a trailer with 20" wheels, 70 MPH, with a Metal Crafter front grill that only lets in about 2/3 the air of a normal grill, and no problems with over heating. Now that it is cold in Texas (below 40) the car warms up no problem. The People at Evens are the best. ------------------ |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 01-09-2004 10:10 PM
Yeah I got that Wayne. They did a nice write up on your car. I'm curious as to how much heat problem you had with previously with non-supercharged car? ( correct? ) My car gets extreme heat conditions when road racing with the supercharger, none when it is out. For me to put more money into cooling I need proof from a car with very high heat problems, and has it resolved thru Evans. So far, yours is the only car I have heard about. No offense, I just want more proof before I spend more money in that area. ------------------ This message has been edited by jd2ksilver on 01-09-2004 at 10:11 PM |
WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 01-10-2004 08:46 AM
My car is not supercharged. Before I fixed my overheating problems, If the outside temp was in the mid 90, and if I would be in stop & go traffic, if I ran the car hard, or just went fast and had the A/C on anything but off the car would overheat and my fluid would be on the ground. Now A/C on max, Pulling the trailer, 100+ temp, go ahead and drive as hard as you like. No problems. The People at Evans are great to work with and of all the upgrades you can get, running the A/C on max in the Texas heat---Priceless. ------------------ |
Gary C POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:San Diego Area |
posted 01-10-2004 10:16 AM
Even with a so called trick raditor mine has still overheated so be careful, venting the hood on the HiBoy was and still is the the only way to go........ran at 3:00 all the time........ |
Gary C POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:San Diego Area |
posted 01-10-2004 10:17 AM
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WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 01-10-2004 11:54 AM
quote: You must not have the Evans setup in your car!!! This is a four part setup. 1)larger Radiator. 2)Evans fluid. 3)no thermostat. 4)cut off valve to the heater coil. This just proved the point I am making that the other people do not know what they are doing, and the people at Evans do. |
jd2ksilver POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Mt. View, CA |
posted 01-10-2004 12:15 PM
Thanks for the info Waynew, I'm gonna look into it. |
BradleyG POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Dallas, Texas |
posted 06-09-2005 01:24 PM
I need to do something about overheating!! I am considering Evans Cooling. I bought the car in January 2005 with 8400 miles on it. I have the TGP grill and other TGP goodies, but no engine mods. Dallas is hot! Over 90 degrees with the A/C on(That's Air Conditioner, no reference to Alley Cat), in traffic or above 60 MPH and the heat gage goes past 3/4 and the radiator boils over. I want to add gears, but I'm afraid it would cause even more problems with higher RPMs I have read the posts about bleeding the system, but it did not fix my problem. Only 15,000 miles on the Kat now, and I drive it most every day. Turning on the heater to cool the car down is not the way to go. Wayne you are obviously VERY happy with Evans and my problem sounds like exactly what was happening to you, except I don't have a trailer. Has anyone else used Evans Cooling to fix the problem?? A thousand dollars is a lot of money to keep it cool, but I'll do whatever it takes so I can drive the car during Texas summers. Is there another way to go for less money? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Brad |
rraite POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:lawton, oklahoma |
posted 06-09-2005 03:10 PM
hi bradleyG im not sure if this will help or not. im just up from you in lawton oklahoma. im not having any problems in the heat with the ac on, i have a 99. anyway i met a prowler owner here with a gold 2002 and a few weeks ago in the heat his started overheating with the ac on, it boiled over a few times and he just put more coolant in. come to find out it was the water pump. also he bought the car new last year and now he has 18000 miles on it as it's his daily driver. good luck! richard |
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