Home Page Owners Registry Discussion Forums ProwlerMall Event Scrapbooks About
Prowler Products By Gary Tom Mills / Jefferson Auto
Call Gary E at Prowler Products By Gary - Formerly Carlini Design Call Tom for the BEST Park/Turn Signal Relocation Kit

Click here to return to the Prowler Online Board Main Page
  ProwlerOnline, Plymouth/Chrysler Prowler Discussion Forum
  Technical Questions & Answers
  Evans Cooling - Another Alternative for Prowler Radiator (Page 1)

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
edit profile | register | preferences | faq | search

   Bottom of Page
This topic is 2 pages long:   1  2 
next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Evans Cooling - Another Alternative for Prowler Radiator
Laddie Roussel





>POA Lifetime Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Hester, LA. USA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 11-25-2003 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laddie Roussel     send a private message to Laddie Roussel   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Laddie Roussel
On my trip to NY/CT late Oct. early Nov., I visited Evans Cooling and met with Steve Pressley (VP & Gen. Mgr.) at their HQ & shop in Sharon, CT. Steve took me around the shop and discussed what they have done for the Prowler. They have a direct bolt-in replacement radiator for the Prowler. I was surprised at all the technical complexities involved in developing a cooling system solution. They have tested their radiator and NPG+ product on someone's Prowler in the Houston area. I think this may be Wayne ? "Waynew"'s Prowler in this link: http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001293.html
Ida Automotive has also used the NPG+ fluids in the 3rd Twin Turbo Prowler installation they completed in the last few months...

The Evans Prowler aluminum radiator has twice the capacity of the stock Prowler radiator. Steve said they estimate the total cooling system capacity is increased by 50%. The Evans Prowler radiator includes two (2) 1" aluminum fins replacing the two 1/2" copper fins in the stock (not sure what the stock is made of - I know it is not aluminum).... Evans contracts some of the mfg. work out for some of their radiator designs. However, the Prowler radiator is built by Evans and stocked at their PA facility. If you have any questions, I suggest giving Evans a call.

Here's a comparison of 1/2' fins next to 1" fins. Again, these fins are made of aluminum versus the steel or copper in the stock Prowler radiator.

Here's a picture of another Evans radiator similar to the Evans Prowler radiator...


They have an agreement with Dean from Prowler Pro to handle their radiators and you can also order them directly from Evans Cooling at 888-990-COOL (2665). Steve told me Dean was currently installing one in a Paxton supercharged Prowler and one in a stock Prowler. Steve said there Evan's suggested retail price was around $790 ?? (Steve said it's about $100 more than stock Prowler radiator).

Here's link to Evans Cooling web site. Http://www.evanscooling.com/index2.html

Here's link to Prowler Pro web site. Http://www.prowlerpro.com/home.php

In addition to the Prowler, they were working a external thermostat solution for the LS1 Corvette motor. The LS1 has a similar setup to the Prowler motor (99 & up) where the thermostat is on the intake side. Steve said this setup requires a thermostat 15 degrees lower than one on the output side of a thermostat to achieve the same normal operating temperature. They're leaning toward a German external mechanical thermostat for the LS1... And, I saw a new water pump for the new Hi HP Cobra mustangs where they've developed a new impeller with more fins...


Here's more pics from my visit.


Here's the LS1 Corvette motor on the Flow tester...


Engine Dyno in their shop...

Steve Pressley (VP & Gen. Mgr.) Of Evans Cooling next to my Yellow Kat...

One other bit of information I learned was that if you use their NPG+ product you must remove all the water from the cooling system. Just removing the radiator hose will not get all the water from the block. You may have to remove a couple of drain plugs on the block. Another product they sell can be used to ensure you have properly prepped the system. You add this liquid to a drained radiator and running the car for 15 minutes and than redraining the system.

Any questions should be directed to Evans Cooling... I want to thank Steve Pressley for taking the time and giving me a tour around the shop.

------------------

dpena




POA Site Supporter
Administrating Kat
Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement
Personal ScrapBook

From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 11-25-2003 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dpena     send a private message to dpena   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by dpena
Hey Laddie,

My radiator is a 4 row, serpintine radiator with dimpled tubes. That is the water flows like "S" through the radiator so it will go accross the fan 3 times.


Even though I spent all kinds of money to modify my front end my heating issue did not completly go away. With tony's panels the temps have been better.

Later...

------------------
Watch Me Burn Some Rubber
Official POA banner Designer .. Need A Banner? Get The Details
Check out Prowlerexcitement.com

dpena




POA Site Supporter
Administrating Kat
Visit Dan's Prowler Excitement
Personal ScrapBook

From:San Jose Ca Santa Clara
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 11-25-2003 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dpena     send a private message to dpena   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by dpena
My Radiator Pics Page

Neal & Mary Ann Bardens


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:Lowell Indiana USA
Registered: Jul 2002
Admin Use

posted 11-27-2003 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neal & Mary Ann Bardens     send a private message to Neal & Mary Ann Bardens   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Neal & Mary Ann Bardens
Thanks for the information. I like the idea of the radiator might give it a shot.
Neal

------------------

jd2ksilver


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Mt. View, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 11-27-2003 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jd2ksilver     send a private message to jd2ksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jd2ksilver
I strongly suggess this gets tested in a authentic "hot" running car first. Dan, I and others have spent high dollars for a over sized radiator, with no significant change in temp rising and falling.

Not saying it's not a good product, but this has been tried before.

WAYNEW

Prowler Junkie

From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA
Registered: Aug 2003
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAYNEW     send a private message to WAYNEW   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WAYNEW
I have the Evans Radiator in my 99 prowler for over 6 months now with no thermostat and all my over heating problems are gone!!! 100+ Texas heat, A/C on max, Pulling a trailer with 20" wheels, 70 MPH, with a Metal Crafter front grill that only lets in about 2/3 the air of a normal grill, and no problems with over heating. Now that it is cold in Texas (below 40) the car warms up no problem. The People at Evens are the best.
This would be great at the track, you could do run after run without overheating!!

------------------

jd2ksilver


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Mt. View, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jd2ksilver     send a private message to jd2ksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jd2ksilver
Waynew, your running no thermostat at all? I didn't the car's computer would let you do that without messing up. That could the answer right there alone.

Hmmmmmmm

WAYNEW

Prowler Junkie

From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA
Registered: Aug 2003
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAYNEW     send a private message to WAYNEW   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WAYNEW
No thermostat and NPG+ fluid. It's the total package that makes it work.
Gene



POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:St.Petersburg,Fl USA
Registered: Jul 2002
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gene     send a private message to Gene   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gene
No thermostat is a problem all your info.for compter is based on temp,speed,load.If computer reads low temps.it thinks eng not warm yet and feeds more fuel plus other problems.It allows water to flow to fast thru radiator without properly cooling.I would think if it works better without thermostat your orginal was bad.All cars w/computer MUST have a 195 thermostat.
WAYNEW

Prowler Junkie

From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA
Registered: Aug 2003
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAYNEW     send a private message to WAYNEW   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WAYNEW
Gene:

With the other coolants you would be correct, but this time you are misinformed because of the different way Evans coolant works.

To get the technical answer as to how this works you have to call Steve at Evans cooling but Evans cooling said I could take out the thermostat without any problems because of the way their coolant works and they are correct. Today the car was up to temp in less then 3 miles, and always runs in the same temp range in the heat of summer or the cold of Texas winter (right in the middle) If you drive the car in Minnesota winters you would have to put in a thermostat, but I live in Texas.

Tell me what problem I should be having so I can look for it. But this systems works for me and is much better then overheating on a regular basis.

------------------

jd2ksilver


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Mt. View, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jd2ksilver     send a private message to jd2ksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jd2ksilver
That's really interesting, anyone else use this fluid yet?
Gene



POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:St.Petersburg,Fl USA
Registered: Jul 2002
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gene     send a private message to Gene   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gene
My car has never gone beyond half way driving fast or city w/AC on.Now, I'm not running a supercharger or any other mod.to engine so maybe that is reason I've never had a problem.As everone knows it does get hot in Florida[July-Aug]so what ever works is good. Gene
Gene



POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:St.Petersburg,Fl USA
Registered: Jul 2002
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gene     send a private message to Gene   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gene
My car has never gone beyond half way driving fast or city w/AC on.Now, I'm not running a supercharger or any other mod.to engine so maybe that is reason I've never had a problem.As everone knows it does get hot in Florida[July-Aug]so what ever works is good. Gene
jd2ksilver


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Mt. View, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 12-02-2003 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jd2ksilver     send a private message to jd2ksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jd2ksilver
I agree. But there are more than a few of us owners with hot running cars. Most have the supercharger or other items on them. A few of us have gone to the expense of new, larger radiators with no success. I would really like to know if anyone else that had previous problems and now have none using this fluid.
Thanks
Todd Cameron
unregistered
Personal ScrapBook
Admin Use
posted 01-09-2004 02:54 AM           send a private message to jd2ksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Todd Cameron
What exactly is this fluid and how does it differe from the factory "you MUST run this" Orange coolant?

------------------
2000 Black, 2001 Black Tie, 2001 Orange, 2001 Silver, 2001 Muholland

jd2ksilver


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Mt. View, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 01-09-2004 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jd2ksilver     send a private message to jd2ksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jd2ksilver
Glad you brought this up again Todd. No one has responded to my question. Would really like to hear from someone who ACTUALLY DONE THIS???. A live person with proven results. I still have my heat issue when the supercharger is in.
WAYNEW

Prowler Junkie

From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA
Registered: Aug 2003
Admin Use

posted 01-09-2004 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAYNEW     send a private message to WAYNEW   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WAYNEW
quote:
Originally posted by jd2ksilver:
Glad you brought this up again Todd. No one has responded to my question. Would really like to hear from someone who ACTUALLY DONE THIS???. A live person with proven results. I still have my heat issue when the supercharger is in.

(as stated above) I have the Evans Radiator and fluid in my 99 prowler for over 6 months now with no thermostat and all my over heating problems are gone!!! 100+ Texas heat, A/C on max, Pulling a trailer with 20" wheels, 70 MPH, with a Metal Crafter front grill that only lets in about 2/3 the air of a normal grill, and no problems with over heating. Now that it is cold in Texas (below 40) the car warms up no problem. The People at Evens are the best.

------------------

jd2ksilver


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Mt. View, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 01-09-2004 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jd2ksilver     send a private message to jd2ksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jd2ksilver
Yeah I got that Wayne. They did a nice write up on your car. I'm curious as to how much heat problem you had with previously with non-supercharged car? ( correct? )
My car gets extreme heat conditions when road racing with the supercharger, none when it is out. For me to put more money into cooling I need proof from a car with very high heat problems, and has it resolved thru Evans. So far, yours is the only car I have heard about. No offense, I just want more proof before I spend more money in that area.

------------------

This message has been edited by jd2ksilver on 01-09-2004 at 10:11 PM

WAYNEW

Prowler Junkie

From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA
Registered: Aug 2003
Admin Use

posted 01-10-2004 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAYNEW     send a private message to WAYNEW   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WAYNEW
My car is not supercharged. Before I fixed my overheating problems, If the outside temp was in the mid 90, and if I would be in stop & go traffic, if I ran the car hard, or just went fast and had the A/C on anything but off the car would overheat and my fluid would be on the ground. Now A/C on max, Pulling the trailer, 100+ temp, go ahead and drive as hard as you like. No problems. The People at Evans are great to work with and of all the upgrades you can get, running the A/C on max in the Texas heat---Priceless.

------------------

Gary C


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:San Diego Area
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 01-10-2004 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary C     send a private message to Gary C   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gary C
Even with a so called trick raditor mine has still overheated so be careful, venting the hood on the HiBoy was and still is the the only way to go........ran at 3:00 all the time........
Gary C


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:San Diego Area
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 01-10-2004 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary C     send a private message to Gary C   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gary C
http://www.prowleronline.com/scrapbook/newscrapview.php?id=384
WAYNEW

Prowler Junkie

From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA
Registered: Aug 2003
Admin Use

posted 01-10-2004 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WAYNEW     send a private message to WAYNEW   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by WAYNEW
quote:
Originally posted by Gary C:
Even with a so called trick radiator mine has still overheated so be careful, venting the hood on the HiBoy was and still is the the only way to go........ran at 3:00 all the time........

You must not have the Evans setup in your car!!! This is a four part setup. 1)larger Radiator. 2)Evans fluid. 3)no thermostat. 4)cut off valve to the heater coil. This just proved the point I am making that the other people do not know what they are doing, and the people at Evans do.

jd2ksilver


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie
Personal ScrapBook

From:Mt. View, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
Admin Use

posted 01-10-2004 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jd2ksilver     send a private message to jd2ksilver   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by jd2ksilver
Thanks for the info Waynew, I'm gonna look into it.
BradleyG


POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:Dallas, Texas
Registered: Dec 2004
Admin Use

posted 06-09-2005 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BradleyG     send a private message to BradleyG   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by BradleyG
I need to do something about overheating!! I am considering Evans Cooling. I bought the car in January 2005 with 8400 miles on it. I have the TGP grill and other TGP goodies, but no engine mods. Dallas is hot! Over 90 degrees with the A/C on(That's Air Conditioner, no reference to Alley Cat), in traffic or above 60 MPH and the heat gage goes past 3/4 and the radiator boils over. I want to add gears, but I'm afraid it would cause even more problems with higher RPMs

I have read the posts about bleeding the system, but it did not fix my problem. Only 15,000 miles on the Kat now, and I drive it most every day. Turning on the heater to cool the car down is not the way to go.

Wayne you are obviously VERY happy with Evans and my problem sounds like exactly what was happening to you, except I don't have a trailer. Has anyone else used Evans Cooling to fix the problem?? A thousand dollars is a lot of money to keep it cool, but I'll do whatever it takes so I can drive the car during Texas summers. Is there another way to go for less money? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Brad

rraite

POA Site Supporter
Prowler Junkie

From:lawton, oklahoma
Registered: Nov 2004
Admin Use

posted 06-09-2005 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rraite     send a private message to rraite   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by rraite
hi bradleyG
im not sure if this will help or not. im just up from you
in lawton oklahoma. im not having any problems in the heat
with the ac on, i have a 99. anyway i met a prowler owner
here with a gold 2002 and a few weeks ago in the heat his started overheating with the ac on, it boiled over a few times and he just put more coolant in. come to find out
it was the water pump. also he bought the car new last year
and now he has 18000 miles on it as it's his daily driver.
good luck!
richard

This topic is 2 pages long:   1  2 

All times are CT (US)  Top of Page  Previous Page

 Return to Technical Questions & Answers  next newest topic | next oldest topic



Administrative Options: Close Topic |Make Sticky | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Prowler Online Homepage

All material contained herein, Copyright 2000 - 2012 ProwlerOnline.com
E-Innovations, LP

POA Terms of Service