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Gort Prowler Junkie From:Clinton Tn,USA |
posted 08-10-2014 09:41 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/tony-stewart-kevin-ward_n_5665445.html Whata loss. Why did that young boy walk out on the track? Sad |
xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 08-10-2014 11:45 AM
Sad story indeed... Wonder why Stewart gave it the gas while passing the kid standing on the track... ??? Ward didn't step in front of him.. |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 08-10-2014 11:46 AM
quote: "Tony Stewart kills Kevin Ward Jr" I think at this moment,,,,that one word above is out of place considering the entire situation. It could be pointed out that young Kevin Ward provided contributory negligence on his part, by running directly out towards Tony's sprint car. Before judging,,,,let's let the police investigation be completed, jmo. |
xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 08-10-2014 12:02 PM
my guess is that Stewart tried to shoot the dirt at him and misjudged ... JMO |
xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 08-10-2014 12:09 PM
Tyler Graves, who also races sprint cars and is a friend of Ward’s, was in attendance at Saturday night’s race, sitting in the Turn 1 grandstands. This is what he witnessed (note: allegedly), according to the Sporting News’ Bob Pockrass:
"I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two and then it threw him about 50 yards. "You never mean to do something like that," Graves said. "Kevin was pissed and he let Tony know. And Tony was trying to give the message back that he wasn't happy either. He went over the line with it." |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 08-10-2014 12:19 PM
I think you are correct Xtreme....... There surely was no malicious attempt to hit or harm the other driver. Misjudged or the car slid further right than Tony assumed it would? |
xtreme prowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Halifax,Nova Scotia, Canada |
posted 08-10-2014 12:28 PM
That's was I was thinking... Stewart pulled himself out of todays Sprint Cup race... |
garysss POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Balto. Md. |
posted 08-10-2014 12:57 PM
That is going to be hard to live with. |
tangled up in BLUE POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:New Castle, Ind |
posted 08-10-2014 04:54 PM
...I feel for both, but a driver walking onto a track in the dark, wearing a black race suit, with moving race cars must bear some of the burden, in this case it was a fatal error...had he not stepped away from his car in anger, there would be no story today ...Stewart races sprint for fun, I feel sure he wouldn't kill a young driver over an on track incident such as this, but the other driver might have wanted to "show" a big time driver like Stewart he wasn't someone to be messed with...what ever, sad for all involved |
silverkat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:upstate NY |
posted 08-10-2014 06:39 PM
I agree w/basically everyones comments but fair or not Tony Stewarts hot head reputation won't help him in the arena of public opinion. That plus the kid was so young. |
SILVRKAT POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Capon Bridge, WV USA |
posted 08-11-2014 07:52 AM
Tony is my favorite NASCAR driver and has been for many years. Yes he has a reputation as being aggressive at times, but I feel it all comes down to the young driver should have never got out of his car onto the track..period. Unless your car is on fire, you stay in it. Save the arguments for after the race in the pits or whatever, but not out on the track during the race, even with a caution out. |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 08-11-2014 08:15 AM
I'll agree with silverkat and SILVRKAT...
Sadly, the 20 year old kid did just that > contributory negligence during temporary road/race rage and lack of good judgement. I don't see any criminal charges being bought forward,,,possibly a civil case? The kid's relatives best have the money for some good lawyers ..... even with a win in civil court,,,appeals,,,this could drag on for a long time? Ron Goldman's father is still waiting to collect from his civil court victory |
silverkat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:upstate NY |
posted 08-11-2014 02:46 PM
quote: Larry You're wrong about OJ not paying on the civil suit verdict. He's making custom license plates now and sending them to Mr. Goldman free of charge. On the Stewart issue if I recall Stewart did the exact same thing in the past throwing his helmet at the other drivers car and striking it. There will be an investigation and I'm sure more will come out. Police are now asking for videos or pix from anyone else who might have them so we'll see. Too early to put a bow on this and say case closed. |
Dave Haggas Prowler Junkie From:united kingdom |
posted 08-12-2014 04:37 AM
I can add a very small input, and it really isn't relevant I guess. I worked directly with Tony Stewart in 2004 at the 24 hr Daytona race. I was what was called the driver helper during the race. At the shop prior to the race I worked with Tony also. We had some good times and he was always a gent to me. He had never met me before and did say I could call him the fat kid due to me having to adjust his belts each time he got in the car. Him being larger than Earnhardt Jnr! The race was good and it was the first time NASCAR drivers did pit stops and needed a guy to literally pull them out of the car. If anyone remembers this race or watched it on TV, apparently when our car did pit stops, due to who was driving together, all you could see on the driver change camera was my bald head. Both nice guys to work with, I felt honoured. Me being a Brit too. It did seem odd over my time when I was there, as I was there a few weeks building the cars to work with these guys then go to Walmart in the evening to see boxer shorts with their names on them. Only in America! This message has been edited by Dave Haggas on 08-12-2014 at 04:41 AM |
SirReal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Burtonsville,Md Good ole U.S.A |
posted 08-12-2014 03:44 PM
Wow Dave great tidbit there. Thanks for sharing that. |
SuperKat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Atlanta, Georgia, USA |
posted 08-12-2014 08:38 PM
Just a sad accident. Direct drive car, kid on the track; should not have been within 10 feet of oncoming cars. |
KlondikeKat Prowler Junkie From:Whitehorse,Yukon , Canada |
posted 08-12-2014 09:55 PM
Very Sad indeed It's also possible too, that Tony seen him at last second with very poor visibility , swerved to left to avoid him, and the rear of the car kicked out at that time, on a slick dirt track. Looking at video those cars zoom by pretty quick even under caution. |
KlondikeKat Prowler Junkie From:Whitehorse,Yukon , Canada |
posted 08-13-2014 12:03 PM
"From what I saw, Tony did everything in his power to turn down away from Kevin to avoid him," said sprint car driver Cory Sparks.Sparks was just a few cars behind Stewart during Saturday's race. He said videos that have been posted online do not give an accurate picture of what happened."People say that they heard the engine rev up and he gassed it. In a sprint car, the only way to steer is you steer with the rear wheels as much as you do the steering wheel. In my opinion, what he did was he gassed it to turn down away from him," said Sparks.Sparks also said drivers are very limited with the amount they can see out of the right side of the car."Kevin was wearing all-black. A black fire suit, a black helmet, which in normal situations isn't a big deal, they are to go with the colors of your car. It was tragic accident and a mistake was made," said Sparks. - http://rochester.twcnews.com/content/news/760185/witness-to-tony-stewart-crash-says-driver-could-not-have-avoided-hitting-other-driver/ |
CJ POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Rochester Hills, MI USA |
posted 08-13-2014 03:53 PM
Report: Ward's father says 'no reason' for crash SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) — The father of the driver run over and killed by Tony Stewart told The Syracuse Post-Standard that ''there's no reason for'' the crash that led to his son's death. Kevin Ward Jr. was sent into the wall when his car was bumped by Stewart's in a dirt-track race on Saturday night in Canandaigua. Ward got out of the car and walked onto the track, where he was hit by Stewart. Kevin Ward Sr. tells the newspaper that ''Tony Stewart was the best damn driver by far on the track that night. Why he had to go up as high as he did and hog my son, there's no reason for it.'' When the 20-year-old Ward got out of his damaged car, he walked on the track and appeared to point at Stewart. Other cars drove past him, but Stewart's right-rear tire appeared to hit him and drag him along the track. ''Apparently, Tony Stewart was the only one driving out there who didn't see him,'' Ward told the newspaper. No charges have been filed against Stewart, but they are still possible. Ward also addressed that in his interview with the newspaper, saying: ''The one person that knows what happened that night is possibly facing 10 years in prison. Is he going to say what he done?'' |
silverkat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:upstate NY |
posted 08-13-2014 04:04 PM
I understand the frustration of the father. I'd be angry too. |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 08-13-2014 06:43 PM
I have watched the video of the dirt track incident a dozen times, and don't see where Smoke was at any fault that the young kid spun out into the outside wall. Smoke had made a 'clean pass' around the youngster, and Ward was attempting an 'outside pass' back around Smoke in the turn which left him uptight/close to the wall. Smoke's car going through a turn on a dirt track, at full speed, is going to go loose on it's right rear tire/suspension and slide outwards.....At full speed, thats how these car re-act. IMO, it was a racing accident.....at that point,,,,, and young Ward made a bad decision of how he hit the outside wall and spun out. On Smoke striking Ward, who was coming down (outside of his race car) the track wearing a 'black' suit......Smoke had very little vision to see him there. Below is the view from inside a sprint car,,,,right side has little to no vision open for the driver: ^ > Notice the right side of the 'wing', and how it blocks the right side vision. . Local Phoenix radio talk-show host AND experienced dirt/sprint car driver Bruce St. James,,,,shares his opinion of the accident and resulting situation to Ward:
By: Bruce St. James [ 16 years experience driving sprint cars ] "In light of the tragedy Saturday night that took the life of Kevin Ward Jr., and changed the life of NASCAR star Tony Stewart, I wanted to share some pictures and video to better illustrate some of the specific challenges drivers face inside (and out) the car. The wing (or airfoil) comes down low on Tony Stewart's cars, not only in the front but along the right side (this is the same on all wing sprint cars). Having driven these cars as well, I know there is a huge blind spot on the right front corner from the wing. It's hard enough to see what is directly in front of you through this narrow opening and nearly impossible to see what is ahead and to the drivers right. From inside the cockpit there is anything but a full field of vision. This is not meant to make any excuses, merely point out that it is not obvious to me that Tony Stewart (or any of the other drivers) would have seen Ward as he walked down the track right into their blind spot. The reality is that if Ward stays in his car, none of this happens. Heck, if he even waits a bit longer for the cars to slow down I think it could have been avoided. This is not the first time a driver, official, crew member or safety work has been struck at a race track, but it certainly is the highest profile accident and I hope we can learn from it. I make a conscious effort to NOT get out of my car while others are still circling the track, mainly because I have always been concerned that another race car might hit my stalled car. I assure you I was very upset after being in a wreck in May but have seen enough tragedy to know I am safest inside the car and never get out until everyone is stopped or at a safe speed. I wish Ward had done the same." . This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 08-13-2014 at 06:49 PM |
Gort Prowler Junkie From:Clinton Tn,USA |
posted 08-13-2014 06:57 PM
I've heard dozens of opinions on the news and social media about what happened to Ward. Tony does have a temper and does not have a problem causing another driver to give way, but that's light years away from saying he tried to harm a driver with his car while the driver was walking towards him. I don't believe it. NASCAR loves aggressive drivers even if they publicly say they don't encourage such things. I'd say Tony will always have this on his mind...forever. I really don't see how a jury could decide either way what happened, only Tony Stewart knows that. This message has been edited by Gort on 08-13-2014 at 07:13 PM |
CJ POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Rochester Hills, MI USA |
posted 08-14-2014 01:51 PM
If Ward hadn't been forced into the wall by Stewart the whole thing wouldn't have happened either. |
SirReal POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Burtonsville,Md Good ole U.S.A |
posted 08-14-2014 04:04 PM
My four cents (inflation) the roll cage and all of the safety devices onboard are there to keep people alive. Once you leave that sanctuary, unless you're on fire is just a ridiculous and costly action. Nothing good ever comes out of the emotional red zone. This is racing and there is no guarantee that you won't be slammed into the wall somewhere. That sells tickets sadly but I think anyone getting out of their racecar for revenge should be banned not fined. Zero tolerance. AC thanks for posting those pictures. I always wondered what their visabilty was like. The pics answered that. Wow! |
silverkat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:upstate NY |
posted 08-14-2014 05:36 PM
quote: Then Tony Stewart should have been banned when he was involved in the incident where he did the exact same thing and threw his helmet at the oncoming car striking it in the windshield. He also attacked the driver afterward. They've ran the tape recently on ESPN. This message has been edited by silverkat on 08-14-2014 at 05:37 PM |
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