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posted 11-11-2018 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dano     send a private message to Dano   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Dano
Former President Obama has been claiming credit for the Trump economic boom, saying he paved the way for President Trump’s remarkable success. Not quite.

By definition, when economic numbers are unprecedented going back as far as records have been kept or exceed results for the past several decades, that means they have surpassed not only Mr. Obama’s two terms in office but the results of all the modern presidents.

To be sure, the economy recovered from a deep recession after Mr. Obama took office, but it was the slowest recovery since the Great Depression. Rather than paving the way for the Trump economic boom, the growth in quarterly gross domestic product actually slowed near the end of the Obama presidency.

In fact, Mr. Obama is the only president since records were first kept under the administration of Herbert Hoover to fail to achieve annual GDP growth of 3 percent or more.

Thus, the fact that we now have the lowest unemployment level since 1969, the lowest black unemployment since 1972 when records were first kept and the highest consumer confidence level in 18 years is entirely attributable to Mr. Trump and his policies. During the eight years of Mr. Obama’s presidency, the average annual growth in the economy was a pathetic 1.9 percent, meaning millions could not find jobs and may have lost their homes or life savings as a result.

Mr. Obama’s performance puts him last among 12 presidents going back to World War II and Harry Truman. Measured by net worth, the economic chasm between black and Hispanic families and their white counterparts widened in the final three years of Mr. Obama’s presidency.

It’s not hard to see why. If you watched any of the financial television channels during the Obama presidency, you saw hundreds of CEOs of companies large and small complain that because of the Obama administration’s crusade to impose more regulations on American business, their costs were increasing, and they were afraid to expand and hire more workers.

At the same time, Mr. Obama’s demonization of business and his constant swipes at entrepreneurship imposed a psychological restraint on American capitalism. During a talk in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama diminished successful people by saying no one gets there on his own. “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,” Mr. Obama said. Mr. Obama cited the obvious fact that everyone needs teachers, roads, and bridges. But to detract from the achievement of any successful person — whether a student graduating from college or a Thomas Alva Edison, Steve Jobs or Bill Gates — is to attack the very essence of the free enterprise system and what makes America a magnet for immigrants from all over the world.

Behind Mr. Obama’s failure on the economic front was a blind spot to understanding that people respond to incentives and disincentives. Funneling taxpayers’ money through the federal government has no multiplier effect and does not give businesses incentives to expand and hire more people. Because capitalism responds to consumer needs, it is actually the most altruistic economic system.

Looking at Mr. Obama’s approach, I am reminded of sitting in the dining room at the National Hotel in Moscow when writing my book “Moscow Station” during the Cold War. Since they were government employees, the waiters milled around and chatted in groups, ignoring my wife Pam and me. Why should they wait on us? They were paid by the Soviet Union regardless and got no tips. Similarly, their bosses had the same lack of incentive to properly supervise them.

Instead of demonizing business, in his first year as president, Mr. Trump touted the accomplishments of American capitalism and decapitated government regulations that were strangling large and small companies. In doing so, he achieved even more than his tax cuts to supercharge the American economy and give businesses and the stock market a psychological boost.

On the morning of Mr. Trump’s election victory, Paul Krugman of The New York Times predicted that the stock market would crash that day and “never” recover. Indeed, Mr. Krugman wrote that with Mr. Trump in the White House ” we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight.” The same day that his story appeared, instead of collapsing, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up 256 points and surged to an all-time high shortly before the closing bell, the strongest election-day rally in 24 years. The Dow is now up about 40 percent since Mr. Trump’s election.

Instead of leading from behind, the famous characterization of President Obama’s approach by one of his aides, Mr. Trump leads from strength. Instead of knocking America, as Mr. Obama did when he apologized for American “arrogance,” Mr. Trump is a cheerleader for the United States.

Whether almost totally defeating ISIS, making progress on denuclearization of North Korea, or achieving unprecedented economic success, any one of Mr. Trump’s accomplishments is remarkable. As my home contractor says, “I don’t care what Trump says; I care about what he does.” Based on results, like President Reagan, who was also reviled and mocked by the press, Mr. Trump will eventually be seen as one of America’s greatest presidents.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/8/the-truth-about-the-trump-economic-boo m/

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Couldn't agree more ... now get out there in your state and Stop the Steal!!!
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Couldn't agree more ... now get out there in your state and Stop the Steal!!!

You got that right...democratic corruption at its worst!

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posted 11-11-2018 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
Dow Jones Ave.
Nov. 1, 2013----$ 15,615.55
Nov. 1, 2014----$ 17,390.52
Nov. 1, 2015----$ 17,663.54
Nov. 1, 2016----$ 18,161.19
Nov. 3, 2017----$ 23,539.19
Nov. 2, 2018----$ 25,380.74

There it is in Black and White. Read it and weep all you Trump haters. I have never been a fan of his, but I am becoming one. You have to admire what he has achieved in spite of "the vast majority" of politicians who hate him and spend their entire day trying to bring him down, and the entire country along with him.

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posted 11-12-2018 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tomcal     send a private message to Tomcal   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Tomcal
Still can't beat Obama's 235% market gain.
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posted 11-12-2018 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
You can't fix stupid. It was not a 235 % gain, no matter how you try to figure it. Just because a magazine posted it, doesn't make it true. A 235 % gain would mean it was worth 335% of what it was originally. 100 plus 235. Pick any date of his reign and let me know where to start. lol
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posted 11-12-2018 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tomcal     send a private message to Tomcal   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Tomcal
So....

Dow Jones
The Wall Street Journal
Standard & Poors

Are all Fake???

I advised all none believers quite some time ago to send a letter to all of them stating their so wrong.

Still waiting for them to print a retraction.

Let me know when you see it.

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posted 11-12-2018 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverkat     send a private message to silverkat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by silverkat
Tommie Gerald Nadler wants his underwear back when you're done licking on the streaks...
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[B]Still can't beat Obama's 235% market gain.[/B]

The market didn't gain 235% during the Obama years. you were already shown that this claim is wrong using the numbers YOU provided. Forgetful?


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Once again, for the Intellectually Challenged,

Obama 235% market confirmed by All Major Financial Institutions and Publication.

Did you forget?

Have you seen them print a retraction?

BTW.... Breitbart and Infowars don't count.

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Once again, for the Intellectually Challenged TomCal

You were already shown that your 235% claim is wrong using the numbers YOU provided.

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posted 11-12-2018 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tomcal     send a private message to Tomcal   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Tomcal
************************ Spin Master Alert *************************

Clearly Mathematically as well as Intellectual Challenged.

Obviously knows nothing regarding stock market numbers computation.

When you don't believe substantiating verification sources such as Standard & Poors, Wall Street Journal and Dow Jones, then you must be believing in...... the tooth fairy.

SO SAD.

"A Fool and His Money are Soon Parted"

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This message has been edited by Dano on 11-12-2018 at 08:09 PM

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Obama 235% stock market rise is cast in history, forever.

Only really dumb Trumpanzees can't to math. He just proved it.

And Deplorable's can't change history, no matter how they try.

You can't spin that.

Welcome to the "No Spin Zone" ........ LOL

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posted 11-12-2018 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
You cited SEVERAL sources to get that figure. Can you post that proof. You said the Wall St. Journal, etc. I would like to see that in print, and not by the idiot in Cal. who is a professor.
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Already showed copious amounts of proof from a plethora of sources.

Google it.


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...I laid it all out number by number a year ago, DOW was around 14k with Bush, dropped to 6-7k under Obama, took 5 years to retrace back to the 14k level, true market gain in 8 years was approximately 4k, 14k to 18k.....
.....Dems, playing with the numbers from the bottom of the fall in March 2009 to the top in 2016, yes, it was a couple hundred percent, but true market gain, 14k to 18k, was 25-30% in 8 years, recovery (retracement) isn’t gain
...rule of increasingly large numbers makes it impossible for future percentage increases to be as large of a percentage as with smaller numbers

...personally, I choose 8k gain of the last 18 mos. compared to 4k gain in 8 years of Obama....I am sure Tomcal does too, he is smart enough to figure this out, he just hopes you aren’t

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Maybe some day Tom will show us the numbers he and his "plethora of sources" used to come up with 235%.
For now, it's a mystery...
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posted 11-13-2018 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StingRay     send a private message to StingRay   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by StingRay
cstall ... will never happen.

Larry ... logical discussion will fall on deaf ears with the ignorant

Market Movers are manipulating the stocks as we speak ... and for couple reasons - disrupt the economy, Trash President Trump, make the democrats happy at ALL costs

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