posted 05-05-2015 11:37 AM                  

The Obama administration’s insistence that all states must use the same federal voter registration form effectively forbids any state from verifying – or even asking about – the citizenship status of would-be voters.
Details of a pending Supreme Court case, Kobach, et al. v. The United States Election Assistance Commission, reveal that the Obama administration considers states to be in violation of the law if they ask any information of registrants beyond what’s included on the federal form.
An amicus brief submitted April 21 by the American Civil Rights Union argues that the federal form serves as a gateway for non-citizens to register to vote, especially since the federal government doesn’t want the states supplementing the form with additional questions about registrants’ legal status.
Kansas and Arizona, while using the federal form, attempted to adopt some changes that would give those states a better understanding of the kind of people they were registering. The feds didn’t like that.
From the amicus brief:
Kansas’s and Arizona’s requested modifications to their state-specific instructions that implemented qualifications found in state law establishing who may vote in their elections. Only those applicants who present the necessary documentary proof of citizenship along with the Federal Form are registered and qualified to vote. Proof of citizenship is thus, by definition, a “qualification” for voting. Those who cannot establish they are citizens are not qualified to vote.
The States, not Congress (and certainly not the Acting Executive Director of EAC), have the sole authority to establish voter qualifications, including the power to ensure that the franchise is exercised only by citizens. [An earlier lower court’s] decision effectively reads that traditional state power out of the Constitution and hands it to an employee at the EAC, a small, federal commission that was designed primarily to assist the States in producing voter registration forms. This Court should grant the Petition in order to restore power to the States to set qualifications of voters as intended by the Framers.
The “EAC” is the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, and its mission is exactly that described in the quote above. But it’s been a great tool for the Obama administration, which has sought new limits on states’ ability to qualify voters.
“Federal law says that states must accept and use a federal form for registering voters. But the federal form doesn’t require any proof that the person submitting the form is a citizen,” PJ Media’s Joseph Vanderhulst – himself an immigrant – wrote in an April 30 piece.
“The form just asks the registrant to check a box.
“…Noncitizens are offered the voter registration forms all over the country and are filling them out, and they are being added to the rolls regardless of which box they check.”
In other words, the Obama policy is exacerbating the very problem the states are attempting, through the verification process, to solve.

posted 05-05-2015 12:29 PM                  

Using this link it took me to the Arizona State Voter Registration Form that you can print out. It asks for verification of citizenship and here it is.

If you checked “No” to either one of
these questions, do not submit this form.

The statement above says don't apply for voter registration if you check "NO" in either category.
http://www.azsos.gov/sites/azsos.gov/files/voterregistrationform.pdf

Tell me where I am wrong, I don't get it?

The Federal Website takes me to the Arizona Website and it says you have to provide proof of citizenship to register to vote. Showing documentation at the polleing place is another issue.

posted 05-07-2015 07:37 PM                  

And if the border is closed and it's safer than it's ever been ,why were these signs put up during "these better than ever years"?

posted 05-07-2015 07:45 PM                  

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Originally posted by padroo:
Here is a link from the Federal website.
http://www.eac.gov/

Using this link it took me to the Arizona State Voter Registration Form that you can print out. It asks for verification of citizenship and here it is.

If you checked “No” to either one of
these questions, do not submit this form.

The statement above says don't apply for voter registration if you check "NO" in either category.
http://www.azsos.gov/sites/azsos.gov/files/voterregistrationform.pdf

Tell me where I am wrong, I don't get it?

The Federal Website takes me to the Arizona Website and it says you have to provide proof of citizenship to register to vote. Showing documentation at the polleing place is another issue.

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So if you expect them to actually read it and tell the truth, then the following form should be unquestioned!

There you have it!! You have just checked for drugs,citizenship,felonies, mental illness, dishonorable discharge, age, illegal alien status!

posted 05-07-2015 10:06 PM                  

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Originally posted by mslc10:
So if you expect them to actually read it and tell the truth, then the following form should be unquestioned!

There you have it!! You have just checked for drugs,citizenship,felonies, mental illness, dishonorable discharge, age, illegal alien status!

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You live in a border state, how do we know you were born in the USA, I hope you don't expect us to take your word for it, oh, I forgot, you have a birth certificate, a drivers license etc. that you would use to prove you are a US citizen. lol

posted 05-08-2015 02:24 PM                  

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Originally posted by padroo:
You live in a border state, how do we know you were born in the USA, I hope you don't expect us to take your word for it,

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thats the whole subject matter of this topic ,that under this administration "you can't ask"....so why you askin? lol

posted 05-08-2015 06:49 PM                  

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Originally posted by mslc10:
thats the whole subject matter of this topic ,that under this administration "you can't ask"....so why you askin? lol

Frustrating, isnt it, when you get caught up in your own loop!

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Let me as Ricky Recard would say "splain it to you" in plain English.

Here is the Federal Form
http://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Federal%20Voter%20Registration_6-25-14_ENG.pdf

Below is a copy of part of the Federal Application that if you wanted to vote you could fill it out. In the upper left hand corner it asks if you are a U.S Citizen. Now I have went out of my way to argue the point and all you do is laugh at me but you are wrong and you offer no proof otherwise. Yes, anything can and has been faked including birth certificates, drivers license's, SS numbers and passports but verification is another step that should be done after someone fills out the Registration to vote. Do I think it will happen in the next election, I wasn't born last night. If the system isn't working then get Congress off their asses and fix it.

Can you see where it asks if you are a U.S. Citizen????

posted 05-08-2015 09:42 PM                  

And while this says that fake forms were used to fatten pay checks vs stuffing ballot boxes, we can see it can be done, and why are these folks on a quota???!!

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/acorn-accusations/

Sorry about laughing , it was with you not at you. Trying to keep it light hearted !

Oh btw, at the top of original it says " pending" , so someone is trying to get it through. I had to re-read it, that's why the current form is still " asking" .

posted 05-09-2015 08:09 AM                  

http://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud

posted 05-09-2015 01:27 PM                  

Better to easily get the wrong answer than have to work hard to get the correct answer.

Yes! I get it it now! This explains our whole society nowadays! Thank you!

posted 05-09-2015 08:51 PM                  

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Originally posted by mslc10:
So what I gather from that is we should accept voter fraud vs inconveniencing anyone.

Better to easily get the wrong answer than have to work hard to get the correct answer.

Yes! I get it it now! This explains our whole society nowadays! Thank you!

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I will tell you what, you run for office and we will all vote for you and then you can get the whole thing straightened out. lol

Seriously though, any voter fraud is not acceptable and whatever needs to be done to TRY to eliminate it should be done. It's kind of like highway fatalities, you try to get the number to zero but we all know that will never happen.

posted 05-10-2015 01:09 PM                  

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posted 05-10-2015 08:41 PM                  

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Originally posted by padroo:

Seriously though, any voter fraud is not acceptable and whatever needs to be done to TRY to eliminate it should be done. It's kind of like highway fatalities, you try to get the number to zero but we all know that will never happen.

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posted 05-11-2015 08:20 AM                  

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Originally posted by tangled up in BLUE:
...a few years ago I was asked by a really old lady for my ID before voting...I showed it to her, signed my name (my signature is very unusual) and the lady didn't like it, said she couldn't read it and made me print it out again...she made me get out my ID again and really looked it over closely the second time...I finally said, "Bernice, you have known me for almost 50 years, I went to school with your daughter, we were neighbors for 30 years, and you don't know me" ...she finally let me vote, but kept an eye on me the whole time...on the way out she asked me who taught me to write, I told her "the same teacher that taught your daughter to write"...if they put little old ladies at the polls, there wouldn't be any voter fraud

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Sounds like that old lady was a good judge of character. lol

posted 05-11-2015 09:54 AM                  

In the midst of his 2012 GOP primary campaign for a Massachusetts state House seat, Jack Villamaino changed the party affiliation of nearly 300 people in his town of East Longmeadow. Days later, the same number of absentee ballot requests were dropped off at the town clerk’s office, a list that was almost a “name-for-name match” for those whose registration information Villamaino had altered.

posted 05-11-2015 02:25 PM                  

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Originally posted by mslc10:
I think we are mid guiding this thread! It wasn't about voter fraud . Read it again: Obummer prevents states to ask if a person is a citizen.

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posted 05-11-2015 04:55 PM                  

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Originally posted by mslc10:

"Obama administration forbids states from asking whether a voter is a citizen"

why would he try and prevent states from asking?
what is his angle here?
there has to be some kind of motive, what do you think he's trying to do?

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