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posted 02-05-2015 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for padroo     send a private message to padroo   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by padroo
Why isn't anyone talking about the TPP?
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Toilet Paper Problems really aren't political are they.
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posted 02-05-2015 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for reechee     send a private message to reechee   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by reechee
the Trans-Pacific Partnership

Obama is for it so I'm sure we can rely on our resident conservatives to oppose it. You should.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_Sbbeqfdw

The Trans-Pacific Partnership, now headed to Congress, is a product of big corporations and Wall Street, seeking to circumvent regulations protecting workers, consumers, and the environment. Watch this video, and say “no” to fast-tracking this bad deal for the vast majority of Americans.

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More of "The sky is falling!...The sky is falling!" hype...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/critics-concerns-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership-are-overblown/2015/02/04/91dd4df2-abdc-11e4-9c91-e9d2f9fde644_story.html

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We don't need any more good trade deals. They are doing this behind closed doors.
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Trans-Pacific Partnership Threatens American Sovereignty http://www.triplepundit.com/2012/07/trans-pacific-partnership-threatens-environment-economy-american-sovereignty/

In essence, after two years of closed-door sessions, this is what the agreement aims to achieve:

severely limit the regulation of foreign corporations operating within U.S. boundaries, enough to give them greater rights than domestic firms,
extend incentives for U.S. firms to move investments and jobs to lower-wage countries,
establish an alternative legal system that gives foreign corporations and investors new rights that can circumvent U.S. courts and laws, and
allow these foreign companies to sue U.S. taxpayers before foreign tribunals to demand compensation for lost revenue due to US laws they claim undermine their TPP privileges or their investment “expectations.”

Under this agreement, foreign interests could purchase mineral rights in this country, and if there is a dispute, say, for example, someone else already owned those rights, the dispute will be settled by a foreign tribunal, whose judges rotate into and out of their roles from the very corporations who are pressing the claims.

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I must admit that when this thread was first posted, I did not know very much about this trade agreement.

I have over the past couple of days read up on it....and in my opinion...it does have problems...it doesn't go far enough in the area of intellectual property...giving the U.S. drug companys too much power over their patents in order to keep drug prices artificially high....what I read is that the drug companies are being rewarded for their support of obamacare.

but as for the rest of it...it seems to be loosely modeled on the NAFTA agreement of 20 years ago....which was arguably the best thing Clinton ever signed.....I know the unions hated it...but it reduced or eliminated artificial tariffs and provided for more market driven price controls.

we have always had a problem with pacific rim countries who at least in part prop up certain industries with government money....this agreement is a start in the right direction to reduce that...

so from what I see....so far....it is a start in the right direction......reducing artificial tariffs and barriers to trade is generally a good thing....this agreement is a start in that direction....but only a start..

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Don't you think it is kind of sneaky?

We only know about the TPP's threats thanks to leaks – the public is not allowed to see the draft TPP text. Even members of Congress, after being denied the text for years, are now only provided limited access. Meanwhile, more than 500 official corporate "trade advisors" have special access. The TPP has been under negotiation for six years, and the Obama administration wants to sign the deal this year. Opposition to the TPP is growing at home and in many of the other countries involved.
http://www.citizen.org/TPP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws87OnUASWg

If you notice liberal TV is going against Obama.

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sneaky seems to part and parcel of the Obama administration......." we must pass it in order to see whats in it"
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posted 02-06-2015 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
this just in:

"This is the first update of the National Security Strategy that Obama has sent to Congress since 2010, even though he's required to do it every year under the Goldwater-Nichols Defense Department Reorganization Act of 1986."

He has an agenda, it just doesn't coincide with anyone else's or the Constitution. The Emperor has no clothes.

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quote:
Originally posted by ed monahan:
this just in:

"This is the first update of the National Security Strategy that Obama has sent to Congress since 2010, even though he's required to do it every year under the Goldwater-Nichols Defense Department Reorganization Act of 1986."

He has an agenda, it just doesn't coincide with anyone else's or the Constitution. The Emperor has no clothes.



this cuts both ways....in 8 years..bush only submitted it twice...

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OK, lets blame Obama on this but who is going to get blamed when the Republican Congress passes this behind closed doors?

One of the countries we will be competing with cheap labor is Vietnam. Remember, there is always another third world country to send our jobs to.

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Blame Obama that's fine. The point is, if you feel this is a bad deal, you should contact your representatives.

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