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reechee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Rafael, CA |
posted 01-22-2015 08:49 PM
Joni Ernst, the new Republican senator from Iowa who delivered the GOP response to President Barack Obama’s State of the Union speech Tuesday night, called in her address for cuts in government spending and described how her views grew out of her own “simple” upbringing, one in which her family diligently watched ever scarce penny, to the point where she owned only one pair of shoes. But an investigation of public records by the Washington D.C.-based District Sentinel online news site showed that between 1995 and 2009, Ernst’s family received nearly a half-million dollars in government handouts, payments targeted toward subsidizing farms with taxpayer funds. Iowa ranks second only to Texas in farm subsidies, with the largely rural and agricultural state receiving $24.9 billion in subsidies between 1995 and 2012. ------------------ |
cstall POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chandler, AZ USA |
posted 01-22-2015 10:17 PM
Let's see...$460K over 15 years is about $30K per year. Not exactly a windfall and certainly consistent with Earnst's "single pair of shoes" statement. Besides that, I know a few farmers and they're not slackers - they work pretty hard. But maybe I'm missing the point...are you in favor of eliminating farm subsidies? |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 01-22-2015 10:37 PM
Don't farm subsidies fall under the Entitlement program too? |
StingRay POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Elk Grove Village, IL, USA |
posted 01-22-2015 10:53 PM
Padroo .... IMO you should be ashamed of your remarks and positions on the current misfit portraying himself as President and his party's policies, they make you look foolish against the emblem that you emblazon on the photo used as your avatar. This message has been edited by StingRay on 01-23-2015 at 08:15 AM |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 01-23-2015 06:00 AM
Dale, don't lose any sleep over that comment. I know most in your country would thank you for your service in the Marines. As a westerner, I thank you for your contribution to democracy and freedom! Always Faithful! This message has been edited by beachcat on 01-23-2015 at 06:10 AM |
Landscape Doctor POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Live Free Or Die State, NH |
posted 01-23-2015 07:21 AM
The irony is that they keep cutting subsidies to the farmer who need it and give more to the people who milk the system. I know a couple farmers myself and they do not have it easy. They work long hours, weather related issues to deal with, they need all the help they can get. |
bjprowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Clarksville,Ohio,USA |
posted 01-23-2015 09:52 AM
Does anybody know a farmer that only works Monday thru Friday from 8am to 5pm and gets a guaranteed salary plus benefits, a pension and paid holidays etc?.......Instead, farming is a 24/7, 365 days per year operation with no guarantee of success. The article referenced is simply more political "half-truths" that make it seem that the government simply wrote the "fat cat" farmer a check for half-million dollars....(read cstall's post again for details) The next time you sit down to a delicious AND AFFORDABLE meal you can thank a farmer and be grateful for government subsidies that allow him to continue his profession. "The Democratic Party......Keeping their sheeple ignorant since 1828" This message has been edited by bjprowler on 01-23-2015 at 10:08 AM |
cstall POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chandler, AZ USA |
posted 01-23-2015 10:31 AM
Personally, I'm not opposed to eliminating subsidies, but I doubt the left would like it. Farm subsidies help to even out fluctuations in the price of food and may even kepp food prices artificially low (maybe someone in the business can chime in on this). If you whack subsidies, then folks who pay taxes will pay less tax, and people who eat will pay more at SafeWay. Typically, a poor person pays less tax than an affluent one but they both have to buy food. Who gets hurt worse? |
BeWare POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Acworth , Georgia , USA |
posted 01-23-2015 10:36 AM
First Dale I also thank you for your service to your country. I am a Veteran but was not a Marine so I hope you don't mind me saying Semper Fi. Second Joni Ernst is 44 years old, born in 1970. She would have gone to school in the 70's & 80's. So how does what the family received in subsidies between 1995 and 2009 have any bearing about her statements of what it was like growing up and going to school? Additionally here are some facts about the farm industry in the 80's which also would support what Joni Ernst described while growing up. By the early 1980s, tight money and high interest rates had burst agriculture's speculative bubble. The federal government estimated that farmland value dropped by nearly 60% in some parts of the Midwest between 1981 and 1985. Many farm operators found it impossible to retire their debts as fast as their asset values declined. In addition, the decision by President Jimmy Carter to enforce a grain embargo as a means of punishing the Soviet Union for its invasion of Afghanistan cost the American farmer a crucial overseas market. As he watched profits decline by 36% between 1980 and 1988, the middle level farmer who had aggressively indebted himself in the Seventies faced grave financial peril during the next decade. By early 1984, in the depths of the crisis, farm indebtedness had risen to $215 billion, double what it had been in 1978, and fifteen times the 1950 level. According to Emmanuel Melicher, Federal Reserve senior economist, more than one-third of America's commercial farmers were in serious trouble. For the first time in history, the total of interest payments on farm loans exceeded total net farm income. Farm foreclosures rose dramatically, and the crisis had a ripple effect, negatively impacting the manufacture and sale of farm machinery, seed and fertilizer. Rural banks went into receivership. Rural communities suffered in other ways; as more and more farmers were forced out of business, small town enterprises saw their profits plummet. In 1986, the Minnesota Agriculture Department calculated that every farm loss wiped out three non-farm jobs. Many described the farm crisis of the Eighties as the worst since the Great Depression. http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id395.htm This message has been edited by BeWare on 01-23-2015 at 10:40 AM |
mslc10 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bulverde, Texas, United States |
posted 01-23-2015 11:43 AM
And this parallels the pregnant unwed mother of 5 in public housing with the flatscreen and Denali how? ------------------ |
bjprowler POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Clarksville,Ohio,USA |
posted 01-24-2015 04:47 PM
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....But the libs want to crucify the farmer... ....Are the friggin' bleeding heart liberals "brain dead"? This message has been edited by bjprowler on 01-24-2015 at 05:23 PM |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 01-24-2015 09:43 PM
My dad was a steelworker, the son of a blacksmith. My mother was the daughter of a dairy farmer and I know they are hard working people. I worked on neighbors and family dairy farms myself until I moved away. After moving to Indiana I never worked on a farm again and never wanted to be a farmer but things are different here.
Politics play an important part in subsidization. In general, the left is more in favor of having subsidized industries, while the right feels that industry should stand on its own without public funds. INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'SUBSIDY' |
StingRay POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Elk Grove Village, IL, USA |
posted 01-24-2015 10:21 PM
quote: Yeah, and THAT is what is killing America now ... don't believe it, look around you .... if you can without your Sheeple Blinders on that have been paid for with all those union dollars. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 01-25-2015 09:08 AM
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alrtg POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Westminster, MD, USA |
posted 01-25-2015 09:20 AM
The first Union job I had was a Part Time Grocery Store position working a cash register. I had no choice about being a member or not and dues were deducted like taxes. (automatically) The part that upset me is when I had a problem that couldn't be resolved with the store manager, the Union didn't offer any hint of support. My opinion of Unions at that time went downhill. Today I am a Union Employed Mass Transit Worker and the pay is right about where it should be for someone with the years of experience and knowledge I have. The part that makes this job a good deal for me are the benefits and that makes all the difference. What makes me nervous is all this crap about mandatory insurance coverages through the odumbo care program. My concern is my coverages may suffer as a result of these mandated policies and that would simply stink. This message has been edited by alrtg on 01-25-2015 at 09:21 AM |
mslc10 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bulverde, Texas, United States |
posted 01-25-2015 09:42 AM
I think unions had their time to make workers conditions and pay have standards. But their time has gone with all the other govt regs and HR . ------------------ |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 01-25-2015 01:45 PM
Not all Unions are created equal, some are better than others. The Unions time will never end because the company is always trying to pick away at what the Union has gained. At the end of each contract it all starts again. If you were involved in a union you would know what I mean. A Union is just not something to take money out of your check. If that's the kind of union you have, look for another one. |
Me Time Prowler Junkie From: NJ. USA |
posted 01-25-2015 08:25 PM
The problem is that most farms are not mom and pop family run farms anymore. Farms like those owned by Monsanto are where most of the money goes and they in turn bring us our GMO food. |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 01-25-2015 08:32 PM
This is the biggest dairy farm I have ever been to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNZBdPL7wjM
This message has been edited by padroo on 01-25-2015 at 08:34 PM |
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