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Gort
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posted 08-16-2014 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gort     send a private message to Gort   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gort
A tiny city in Mo. turned into chaos. The police decided it was better to let looters rob and steal from property owners than intervene. Now signs are all over the city saying the police refuse to enforce the law. The police don't even deny it. Property owners are on there own to protect their lives and property. How can anyone say they think there are too many guns? Should people just stand aside and watch their stores and homes burn?

BTW..homeowners does not cover civil disobedience, check your policy.

"PROTECT AND SERVE"....right

This message has been edited by Gort on 08-16-2014 at 04:56 PM

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posted 08-16-2014 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bjprowler     send a private message to bjprowler   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by bjprowler
Yes.....But if you resist then you must be a racist...

So let it be and let the mob rule......And surrender.

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posted 08-16-2014 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gort     send a private message to Gort   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Gort
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Originally posted by bjprowler:
Yes.....But if you resist then you must be a [B]racist...

So let it be and let the mob rule......And surrender.[/B]



Seriously, when all this dies down, and I had a property loss due to the police refusing to protect the community,I'd sue the crap out of the city. Let them try to plead their case to a jury,why they were told to let the mob due as they wish.I'm sure some lawyer is thinking "class action" against the city.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/16/there-are-no-police-ferguson-store-owners-guard-businesses-with-own-guns-lack/

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posted 08-16-2014 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beachcat     send a private message to beachcat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by beachcat
sometimes it's easy to second guess the police. You weren't there. You don't know what was the best decision for all concerned.
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We don't have all the facts, and all white (?) police department in a 70% black populated town trying to keep order after being accused of "executing" a nice, well not always, timid, but rather large, black youth? Me thinks the state police and National Guard should have been brought in sooner ... but again, don't know all the facts to assert that as a hind sight solution.
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Originally posted by beachcat:
sometimes it's easy to second guess the police. You weren't there. You don't know what was the best decision for all concerned.

No matter who made the decision or whether it was for the overall good or not has nothing to do with the fact that the property owners are now on there own to defend their property and their lives.The fact is you and your family are now in extreme danger because the police are not policing any longer.You'll be just as dead no matter who said it was right or wrong.Unless you want to become a martyr for the city ,I'd suggest you get a gun or run for your life. Do you see another way? I think talking about it to a angry mob might not work.

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Originally posted by beachcat:
sometimes it's easy to second guess the police. You weren't there. You don't know what was the best decision for all concerned.

When the police voluntarily stop policing,they are no longer police, they are witnesses and bystanders.When peaceful protesters stop being peaceful and start looting and threatening people they are now called thugs. Neither party can claim to have both titles. Who made the decision to change from one to another really doesn't matter much if your on the losing end of the situation.

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Who said they stopped policing? They made a decision based on their expertise. Again, you weren't there.You don't know what the best decision was. Even if you were there, you wouldn't know unless you are trained in law enforcement.
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Originally posted by beachcat:
Who said they stopped policing? They made a decision based on their expertise. Again, you weren't there.You don't know what the best decision was. Even if you were there, you wouldn't know unless you are trained in law enforcement.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/16/there-are-no-police-ferguson-store-owners-guard-businesses-with-own-guns-lack/

It's on every news network. How does it help the victum to know who or why the desision to stop policing was made? It's like a fireman that's been ordered to NOT put out a burning fire where people are in danger. Does it really help the people about to be burnt to death to know the logic behind that desision?

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With all due respect Gort, your fire analogy is a bit simplistic. A fire doesn't involve the heightened racial tensions of a seriously aggravated population. There is obviously extenuating circumstances at play here. Not responding to store looting doesn't mean they stopped policing. So a few store owners lost a few grand of product. Would you rather have possibly more deaths on your hands? Possibly police deaths.Then all hell would break loose.

I'm glad you are not the police chief in my town. Act first and think later? This is not a protection of personal property issue.

Anyway, you can have the last word on this. I've stated my opinion.

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Originally posted by beachcat:
With all due respect Gort, your fire analogy is a bit simplistic. A fire doesn't involve the heightened racial tensions of a seriously aggravated population. There is obviously extenuating circumstances at play here. Not responding to store looting doesn't mean they stopped policing. So a few store owners lost a few grand of product. Would you rather have possibly more deaths on your hands? Possibly police deaths.Then all hell would break loose.

I'm glad you are not the police chief in my town. Act first and think later? This is not a protection of personal property issue.

Anyway, you can have the last word on this. I've stated my opinion.


Here's my final word. If your police chief gives into a mob and lets your business be destroyed because he's afraid of even a larger mob being started,you need a new police chief.That's like not arresting an Islamic terrorist because it may start a Jihad and bring on even more terrorist. Dangerous thinking.

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posted 08-16-2014 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ed monahan     send a private message to ed monahan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by ed monahan
I think you need to find out how many cops they have in that city. Then you need to divide that number by 3, to cover all 24 hours in a day. Then you need to subtract about 28 % for the folks who are on their regular off days.
Since it is August there are a couple on vacations. Then deduct the supervisors.
Now you know how many cops are available if you put the detectives in uniform to help out, have everyone work 12 hour days to boost it some.
Now, figure out how many businesses there are in the city.
One cop for every 200 businesses?? Even if it is one for every business, one cop can't stop a mob. All the cops rush to this scene, the other mob a few blocks away have 10 minutes of free (for all) shopping. Then they get in a confrontation and shoot someone else. Does South Central L A ring a bell at this point.
Yep, I would sue them. The judges and the Prosecutor will be on your side, for sure. lol
Other opinions may vary.
Personally, I would shoot all the looters. It should at least slow down the looting for a few minutes.
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When Al Sharpton, New Black Panthers, and bloods show up, there is going to be violence. Sharpton is one of the biggest race baiters of all times.
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In 1968, then Mayor Richard J. Daley told the Chicago police to shot to kill when looting was taking place in Chicago!
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posted 08-17-2014 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StingRay     send a private message to StingRay   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by StingRay
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In 1968, then Mayor Richard J. Daley told the Chicago police to shot to kill when looting was taking place in Chicago!

Certainly helps to discourage such illegal activity, huh!

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