posted 09-17-2012 06:43 PM                  

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney is heard saying in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That, that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what."

Romney goes on to say that "these are people who pay no income tax. 47 percent of Americans who pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect."........ He says his job "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

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Shouldn't Americans stand up and applaud this man who wants to get Americans to be responsible for themselves?

Or is Obama's message that the 50% of Americans should pay for everything going to get him re-elected?

posted 09-18-2012 07:54 AM                  

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Originally posted by attyedhall:

its the end of the world i tell ya...the end of the world....i heard that somewhere..

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Eddie,,,,that day is drawing near, with the illegals and
dead voting, and the bottom dwellers wanting more benefits.

Its time for real change to happen, and its going to effect those not being contributors to society. If not, then the government is going to sink, along with us crying to save us, but with nobody listening.

posted 09-18-2012 11:54 AM                  

it is this portion of Romney's statement that is going to give him big problems... while fundamentally correct on all accounts....this will be spun to reinforce his "only for the rich" stereotype that obama has succesfully used.

and if what romney says is true....and that 47% are going to vote for obama no matter what......that means that obama only needs 4% of the rest to win.......the black vote...the hispanic vote...and the student vote alone will put him over the top....

very sad if true.

posted 09-18-2012 12:08 PM                  

Much like "W" didn't bother to attend the NAACP Convention...It was a forgone conclusion that the majority of the attendees were not going to vote for him...

posted 09-18-2012 01:01 PM                  

A certain percentage of Americans could care less about the unemployment rate....They don't have a job, nor want a job, and aren't looking for a job.

A certain percentage of Americans could care less about income taxes being too high....They don't pay any and many don't even file a tax return.

A certain percentage of Americans could care less about the crime rate....Many are part of the statistic or they have simply accepted crime as a way of life.

A certain percentage of Americans could care less about government run health care....They have been getting it free for years. Their preferred method is simply to go to the emergency room.

A certain percentage of Americans could care less about the national debt...They have no intention of helping pay for it and can't even conceive (nor care) of how much $16 trillion is.

A certain percentage of Americans could care less that unfunded pensions and the social security program are going broke....They have no concept of "retirement" because in order to have that, you have to have a job first.

A certain percentage of Americans could care less about gun laws. They have 'em, but they aren't going to register them.

A certain number of Americans have no drivers license or automobile insurance....If they have an accident, sue them....You'll get nothing.

.....and the list could go on, and on.....Can anyone honestly think that people who fit into the above will support any candidate who promotes being responsible and taking charge of their own lives? Or are they more likely to support the status quo?

There is a clear choice to be made this November.

posted 09-18-2012 05:48 PM                  

....Stay the course, Mitt....You're a fine, decent man....

posted 09-18-2012 08:47 PM                  

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Originally posted by bjprowler:
[B]I rest my case....[/B]

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posted 09-19-2012 11:07 AM                  

Nobody's really talking about this slice of the pie, but Mitt Romney's "47%" who pay no federal income tax include several thousand of the highest-income households in the country.

The Tax Policy Center estimates that 4,000 households with incomes over $1 million ended up with zero federal income tax liability in 2011. Another 14,000 made between $500,000 and $1 million.

Combined, those households represented just 0.025% of the more than 76 million who did not pay.

But their presence in the No Tax Club underlines the fact that the tax code is chock full of tax breaks and exceptions benefiting people up and down the income scale.

There are various reasons why a household booking more than $1 million in income could owe nothing in federal income tax, experts note.

Among them, people who live off their investment income and report large investment losses in a given year may be able to offset the taxes owed on their investment gains.

Or they may have gotten a lot of their income from tax-free investments, such as municipal bonds.

Another possibility: a wealthy tax filer may report a lot of dividend income from foreign stocks on which he already paid tax to a foreign government. He would get a foreign tax credit on his U.S. return, to avoid double taxation. And if his foreign tax bill tops his U.S. tax bill, he wouldn't owe anything to the IRS on that dividend income.

Add in some charitable contributions and other tax breaks to any of these scenarios, and a tax filer could whittle down down his federal income tax bill to zip.

It's impossible to say how many households -- rich and otherwise -- would end up with zero federal income tax liability under Romney's tax reform proposals. There are still too many unknowns -- such as which tax breaks he'd be willing to curb to pay for his proposed tax rate reductions.

But it's a fair bet there will still be a notable number. The percent of non-payers fluctuates from year to year, but there has not been one year since 1916 in which there were no non-payers, according to the Tax Foundation.

Among the returns filed -- which excludes people who didn't have to file because their income was too low -- non-payers have ranged from a low of 7.5% in 1943 to a high of 56.1% in 1934. Since 2000, the group of non-payers has grown to more than 40% from 25%.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4-000-richest-romneys-47-190300071.html

posted 09-19-2012 04:44 PM                  

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Originally posted by Michael Pond:
Don't know how it is in Jersey, but in Colorado my taxes have gone up, especially property and vehicle !!

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Property taxes went sky high during all the boom years of the early 2000's and now that my property has lost some value I went to the town armed with the current values and got my taxes reduced. They fight, scream and holler but in the end if you have proof they are over valuing your property they have no choice but to drop the amount you pay. That said if enough people do what i did they will raise the rate of which you are taxed, but American's are lazy and won't fight the gov. If they weren't lazy we wouldn't be in this boat to begin with.

posted 09-19-2012 05:05 PM                  

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Originally posted by Me Time:
Property taxes went sky high during all the boom years of the early 2000's and now that my property has lost some value I went to the town armed with the current values and got my taxes reduced.

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posted 09-19-2012 06:43 PM                  

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Originally posted by bjprowler:
[B]I rest my case....[/B]

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posted 09-19-2012 07:32 PM                  

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Originally posted by bjprowler:

Be careful of what you wish for...When (if) you get ready to put your home on the market for sale at top dollar, the county records will show that you insisted the value was low....

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posted 09-19-2012 07:45 PM                  

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Originally posted by reechee:
4,000 of the richest in Romney's '47%'

Nobody's really talking about this slice of the pie, but Mitt Romney's "47%" who pay no federal income tax include several thousand of the highest-income households in the country.

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posted 09-19-2012 08:09 PM                  

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Originally posted by ed monahan:
WIC, SSI,

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posted 09-19-2012 08:43 PM                  

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Originally posted by Al's Prowler:
What do those initials stand for?

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