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Mitt Romney lashed back at Harry Reid on Thursday in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, saying the Senate majority leader needs to "put up or shut up" after airing allegations about Romney's taxes.

Reid, a Nevada Democrat, first raised eyebrows Tuesday by saying in a news interview that someone had told him Romney went 10 years without paying taxes. He would only identify his source as an investor in Romney's former venture capital firm, Bain Capital, and he acknowledged, "I'm not certain" it's true.

That didn't stop Reid from taking to the Senate floor Thursday to accuse the Republican presidential candidate again of paying no taxes, part of a broader Democratic attack on Romney for declining to release more than two years of tax documents.

"The word's out that he hasn't paid any taxes for 10 years," Reid said. "Let him prove that he has paid taxes, because he hasn't."

But Romney forcefully denied Reid's allegations on Hannity's radio show Thursday.

"Harry’s going to have to describe who it is he spoke with, because, of course, that is totally and completely wrong," Romney said. "It’s untrue, dishonest and inaccurate. It’s wrong.

"So, I’m looking forward to have Harry reveal his sources, and we will probably find out it’s the White House."

Romney's campaign earlier rejected the majority leader's statement as "shameful."

Reid also raised eyebrows for invoking Romney's late father, himself a one-time presidential candidate.

"His poor father must be so embarrassed about his son," Reid told the Huffington Post.

George Romney, a Michigan governor, released 12 years of tax returns during his unsuccessful bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968. His son has released only his 2010 tax return and an estimate for 2011, years when he was preparing for his own presidential bid or already running.

Reid doubled down on the claim late Thursday, firing back at Romney in a written statement.

"People who make as much money as Mitt Romney have many tricks at their disposal to avoid paying taxes," Reid said in a written statement. “When it comes to answering the legitimate questions the American people have about whether he avoided paying his fair share in taxes or why he opened a Swiss bank account, Romney has shut up. But as a presidential candidate, it’s his obligation to put up, and release several years’ worth of tax returns just like nominees of both parties have done for decades.

“It’s clear Romney is hiding something, and the American people deserve to know what it is."

Reid's comments come in the middle of a scathing critique of the former Massachusetts governor's tax plan. The Tax Policy Center, which Romney has called "an objective third party" in the past, noted that his proposal would give benefits to high-income earners while giving a tax increase to middle-class Americans. Romney's camp has disputed that analysis.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/02/romney-to-reid-put-up-or-shut-up-on-source-untrue-tax-claims/#ixzz22V0cIZXH

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this is going to haunt romney until he releases these stupid tax returns....obama has successfully made this an "issue".


its keeping romney from staying on his message and putting him on the defensive...

perhaps he should offer to release the tax returns if obama releases his college records and law records....tit for tat?

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I guess two can play this game.


There is an unnamed source from Kenya that says Obama was born there.

There is an unnamed source From Occidental College that Obama obtained loans and attended college as a foreign student.

There is an unnamed source from CT that Obama is using an invalid Social Security card.

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And don't forget Nancy Pelosi says the tax return issue is a distraction from the real issues

Pelosi: On Second Thought, This Whole Tax Returns Thing is a Distraction


Guy Benson
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Jul 19, 2012 05:41 PM EST

Behold what a prominent politician's "CYA" instinct hath wrought:

Facing questions about why she and other top Congressional officials won’t release their tax returns, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) downplayed her previous demands for presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney to release his, calling the issue a distraction. As recently as Wednesday, Pelosi had strongly urged Romney to provide further disclosure of his tax returns. But today, while maintaining Romney should release more documents because of “custom” and “tradition,” Pelosi said the issue was trivial compared with economic issues. “We spent too much time on that. We should be talking about middle-income tax cuts,” Pelosi said after answering two questions about the issue.

Pelosi even started clawing at the annoyingly inquisitive media:

Pelosi also suggested that the media should face disclosure requirements. “Some people think the same standard should be held to the ownership of the news media in the country who are writing these stories about all of this. What do you think of that?” she asked.

Yeah, what do you think of that, reporters? Stop asking Nancy questions about her shameless hypocrisy! It seems the former Speaker is a little jittery over the report we highlighted earlier:

Nancy Pelosi was emphatic. Mitt Romney’s refusal to release more than two years of his personal tax returns, she said, makes him unfit to win confirmation as a member of the president’s Cabinet, let alone to hold the high office himself. Sen. Harry Reid went farther: Romney’s refusal to make public more of his tax records makes him unfit to be a dogcatcher. They do not, however, think that standard of transparency should apply to them. The two Democratic leaders of the Senate and the House of Representatives are among hundreds of senators and representatives from both parties who refused to release their tax records.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/18/156632/most-members-of-congress-keep.html#s torylink=cpy

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I would tell Obama I would release all my tax records if, the Liar in Chief, all all the rest of his liars would resign if proven these are false aligations!!!
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Too bad Willard does not have the character of his father who released 12 years of tax records.
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Originally posted by heynow14:
Too bad Willard does not have the character of his father who released 12 years of tax records.

But he will show us his college transcripts, diplomas, birth certificate, social security card number, previous passports, etc etc.

Why won't Hussein expose his character, and show us his records? Hypocrite?

No spin now......................

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Originally posted by heynow14:
Too bad Willard does not have the character of his father who released 12 years of tax records.

I see you have the liberal talking points down pat. Just more of the usual drive by comments with little if any substance.

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Yeah, I could just copy and paste articles to make myself look smart.

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Yeah, I could just copy and paste articles to make myself look smart.



Might try it,,,,,,your SPIN factor approach and denial of facts,,isn't working for you.

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Yeah, I could just copy and paste articles to make myself look smart.


OH YEAH, My dog can beat your dog....

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Originally posted by heynow14:
Yeah, I could just copy and paste articles to make myself look smart.


I don't claim nor do I try to appear smart. In fact I only have a High School education. There are people much smarter than me. If I was smarter than most I would be making a lot more money than I am.

I do seek smarter peoples opinions and also look for the facts to help me make informed decisions instead of just taking the political leaders at their word and then shooting from the hip with talking points and drive by comments. By doing so, maybe I look less foolish and less uninformed than some others here, but certianly not smarter.

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Why has BHO been avoiding the White House Press Corp?


WH Press Corps Goes Seven Weeks Without a Question


http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/08/06/wh-press-corps-weeks-question/


http://weaselzippers.us/2012/08/06/obama-laughs-off-reports-attempt-at-asking-serious-question-hasnt-taken-questions-from-white-house-press-corps-in-nearly-7-weeks/

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Romney calls on Reid to reveal source as fact-check sites challenge tax claim


Mitt Romney called on Harry Reid Tuesday to reveal the source for his claim that the Republican presidential candidate has not paid taxes for 10 years, stepping up pressure as two major fact-check sites ruled Reid had no basis for the "incendiary" allegation.

Romney, in an interview with Fox News, said he doesn't believe Reid has a credible source but urged the Senate Democratic leader to reveal who it is.

"I don't really believe that he's got any kind of a credible source," Romney said. "I don't know who gave him this line of reasoning, whether it came from the White House or the DNC or a staffer, but he ought to say where it came from, and then we can find out whether that person has any credibility. I know they don't."

He said Reid also has "lost a lot of credibility."

Romney's latest comments came as two major fact-check sites knocked down Reid's comments, which the senator amplified by repeating them last week on the Senate floor. Reid has said his source is an investor with Romney's former venture capital company Bain.

But PolitiFact wrote that it is "far-fetched" to believe Romney paid no taxes for 10 years. Further, the article stated the obvious -- "Reid has produced no evidence to back up his claim other than attribution to a shadowy anonymous source."

PolitiFact concluded: "Reid has made an extreme claim with nothing solid to back it up." They gave the accusation a "Pants on Fire!" rating.

The Washington Post's fact-check column, too, gave Reid's remark the equivalent of a "Pants on Fire!" score. The Post gave it "four Pinocchios," which is the newspaper's score for a claim they knock down.

"Without seeing Romney's taxes, we cannot definitively prove Reid incorrect. But tax experts say his claim is highly improbable. Reid also has made no effort to explain why his unnamed source would be credible. So, in the absence of more information, it appears he has no basis to make his incendiary claim," the Post wrote.

The White House, meanwhile, has distanced itself from Reid's remark. Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday the Senate Democratic leader "speaks for himself."

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, though, has defended Reid. She told The Huffington Post that Reid made a "true" statement.

"Somebody told him. It is a fact," she said.

Like other Democratic officials, Pelosi said Romney can either prove or disprove the claim by releasing more tax returns.

Fox News' Carl Cameron contributed to this report.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/romney-calls-on-reid-to-reveal-source-as-fact-check-sites-challenge-tax-claim/#ixzz22tTCv9s3

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quote:"House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, though, has defended Reid. She told The Huffington Post that Reid made a "true" statement.

"Somebody told him. It is a fact," she said."


OMG,,,,,this gal is a total whack-job!

Please California,,,,always vote her back into Congress,,,,we need the continued laughs on stupidity!!

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Wouldn't be easier if ol' Willard would just release his tax records and be done with it. He's making himself look like he has something to hide.

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Why hasn't Obama released any of his records? How long did it take Obama to release what is supposed to be a birth certificate?
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Originally posted by heynow14:
Wouldn't be easier if ol' Willard would just release his tax records and be done with it. He's making himself look like he has something to hide.


Yes,as TL says why hasn't Obama released his college records. Makes him look like he has something to hide. Like maybe he attended college under a foreign student program. Or where did this kid from a poor background and a broken home get funding to attend Ivy League schools?

Why hasn't Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi released their tax records. Why was John Kerry not asked to release his tax returns when he was running?

Why wasn't candidate Obama vetted to the extreme detail has candidate Romney is?

There are a lot of unresolved issues surrounding Obama.

Birth Certificate Forgery (say what you will about conspiracy theories but there has been a lot of evidence the document he provided was a forgery and no actual evidential rebuttal) Social Security Card issues and Selective Service Registration potential forgery.

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I thought Willard was supposed to be better than President Obama. Guess not.

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Obama was supposed to be the most transparent presidency ever, what happened to that?
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Compared to previous administrations I'd say things he has been very upfront on issues.

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Compared to previous administrations I'd say things he has been very upfront on issues.


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Compared to previous administrations I'd say things he has been very upfront on issues.


That was meant to be a joke, wasn't it?

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Originally posted by BeWare:
I don't claim nor do I try to appear smart. In fact I only have a High School education. There are people much smarter than me. If I was smarter than most I would be making a lot more money than I am.

I do seek smarter peoples opinions and also look for the facts to help me make informed decisions instead of just taking the political leaders at their word and then shooting from the hip with talking points and drive by comments. By doing so, maybe I look less foolish and less uninformed than some others here, but certianly not smarter.


Rich, I perceive you as an intelligent guy with a lot to contribute. I personally don't read the articles you post. As soon as I see them, I skip on to the next post. Not that you would care what I do but I thought you might find an interest in the reason why.

First, I don't have a lot of time for forum browsing and I am on many forums so simply the time factor is an issue. Also, I need to spend time just figuring out who wrote the article and which side of the fence it's coming from. Thirdly, I find it difficult to figure out whether it's your opinion I'm reading or that of the author due to unclear quoting. Forthly, I like to chose my own reading material and not necessarily that which is important to others.

So while I would love to read your opinions, I just breeze by your article posting without even looking. JMO

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quote:
Originally posted by heynow14:
Compared to previous administrations I'd say things he has been very upfront on issues.



Set the past issues aside,,,,,what about ALL of those 'sealed records'? Where is the transparency he promised? How did that Kool-Aid taste?
NO SPIN,,,answer the question..


http://video.foxnews.com/v/1775767242001/


Columbia U.,,,,one student knew him?
700+ students in his class year didn't!! What is BHO hiding?
Millions of $$$ spent to protect and seal his records WHY? I ask again!

UNSEAL THE RECORDS, BHO!

Is he worried that



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